[ OFFICIAL RELEASE 2010.09.14 ] - Olympus E-5


No need to despair. :)

My conclusion from past experience with E1 is, a good prime will out resolve a good zoom. But bear in mind ur 35mm OM lens will suddenly become a 70mm on the E/mE sys. My better shots were done with the Nikkor 55mm prime & Leica 90mm prime.

If u intend to invest in the E sys, the ZD primes r better than legacy primes. Eg. the ZD50mm is better than the Nikkor 55mm across all apertures. The ZD150 beats the OM90mm hands down :devil:

Hope this helps :lovegrin:

Edited: Sorry i didn't make myself clear. Good zoom refers to HG class of lenses like the 11-22, 14-54 etc. If 12-60 falls under HG, i assume the primes will outresolve it. SHG zooms r juz like the primes :)

Thanks nightpiper for your patience. I understand that OM lenses are not very good on 4/3, that's why many like me have to use them on Canon/Nikon FFs. When the E-5 was launched I had hopes but after reading all the rantings here I was cautious. Someone mentioned that all he needed was the E-5 + 12-60 + 50-200 and that was all he needed, not even primes. So, my idea was, maybe, I should look at the E-5 plus a 12-60 and live with it as I am getting old. So, I asked a simple question and got a funny answer. Anyway, thanks for your trouble.
 

Thanks nightpiper for your patience. I understand that OM lenses are not very good on 4/3, that's why many like me have to use them on Canon/Nikon FFs. When the E-5 was launched I had hopes but after reading all the rantings here I was cautious. Someone mentioned that all he needed was the E-5 + 12-60 + 50-200 and that was all he needed, not even primes. So, my idea was, maybe, I should look at the E-5 plus a 12-60 and live with it as I am getting old. So, I asked a simple question and got a funny answer. Anyway, thanks for your trouble.

Hey no trouble at all. Initially didn't reply becos i thot other E sys gurus can provide better insight.

Actually the lenses r very good on 43, its juz that the ZD primes r another level higher.


A simple understanding is needed. The smaller the sensor, the more demanding is the lens. So 35mm glass will not be optimised fully on a 2x crop sensor. Same goes for if u use a 35mm L on the 7D. I think u r better off using a 5DII with a ZE 21mm CZ lens :devil: Go 43 if u r willing to invest in their SHG range of lenses
 

Man, I kinda hate this thread now :bsmilie: When I'm away from comp the whole day, everyone posts and I have to set aside some time just to go through

Anyway, A lot has gone through my mind ever since the official launch of the E-5, what I've decided for myself personally, is that after seeing the EVF for the PENs, the EVF will be much better on the flagship once mirrors are taken out

Like elgkh, I'm more concern about handling especially after using a Nikon D200 today for a few hours (shall not say reason, just needed to use for something) and I realize that while the Nikon cameras are good, one thing I do not like personally is their grip but probably vertical grip and hand strap would solve the problem of having to hold on to it. Another concern of mine is that as long as the lenses still can be used, I am happy. In a nutshell, what is important to me is ergonomics, the current color or improved, DR range to be improved and the current noise control is also good enough for me along with continued usage of the current lenses.

Bodies change over time, lenses will be improved but more or less can remain the same. As what nightpiper has said, shoot more worry less. we're not tech geeks, cameras have change and we have change to adapt to it,so why makes it different now? Although true that the E-5 comes as a disappointment for some to most. To me, like dicam, it is an improvement cause to me, what is important is image quality rather than features. Some features are nice to have but not essential. what is essential to me is good colour, sharpness,DR and good noise control for some images that I'd like/need to be clean.
 

Man, I kinda hate this thread now :bsmilie: When I'm away from comp the whole day, everyone posts and I have to set aside some time just to go through

Anyway, A lot has gone through my mind ever since the official launch of the E-5, what I've decided for myself personally, is that after seeing the EVF for the PENs, the EVF will be much better on the flagship once mirrors are taken out

Like elgkh, I'm more concern about handling especially after using a Nikon D200 today for a few hours (shall not say reason, just needed to use for something) and I realize that while the Nikon cameras are good, one thing I do not like personally is their grip but probably vertical grip and hand strap would solve the problem of having to hold on to it. Another concern of mine is that as long as the lenses still can be used, I am happy. In a nutshell, what is important to me is ergonomics, the current color or improved, DR range to be improved and the current noise control is also good enough for me along with continued usage of the current lenses.

Bodies change over time, lenses will be improved but more or less can remain the same. As what nightpiper has said, shoot more worry less. we're not tech geeks, cameras have change and we have change to adapt to it,so why makes it different now? Although true that the E-5 comes as a disappointment for some to most. To me, like dicam, it is an improvement cause to me, what is important is image quality rather than features. Some features are nice to have but not essential. what is essential to me is good colour, sharpness,DR and good noise control for some images that I'd like/need to be clean.

:thumbsup: it's what your hand hold comfortably that are capable of producing quality image. :)
 

What Olympus really needs to do now is to release full size images to show the much vaunted IQ of the E-5. Without them, everybody is just going on about how crappy it is.
 

Can provide early heads up? hahahaha I want to chop seat first!

What Olympus really needs to do now is to release full size images to show the much vaunted IQ of the E-5. Without them, everybody is just going on about how crappy it is.
You really need to see it with your own eyes to conclude.

Have you chop your seat already? :)
 

WHAT?! I can chop seat for the E-5 hands on already?! Where!? Where?!
 

Anyway, I'll let you guys judge for yourself. Hands-on session scheduled for 2 Oct. Will have a separate thread for that once I have fixed all the details.

WHAT?! I can chop seat for the E-5 hands on already?! Where!? Where?!
Can chop seat or not I don't know but I thought you had responded to this..? :sweat:
 

Oh! hahahahaha, No lah, I'm also waiting for Headfonz to set up the new thread!
 

The following discussion threads are started by reputable and reasonable forum participant over at DPR. They are also current user of Olympus and 4/3 equipment. Their thoughts, views and opinions are honest and revealing.

E-5 and the truth about Olympus

Your predictions vs Olympus statements

The threads were a good read. And the statement about us photographers not being able to see any stark improvements and tech jump until the next sensor breakthrough is very true.

I look at what we have versus what is coming, and honestly, as a photographer, I would not need to upgrade to the new E5 unless my dust filled E3 conks out.

BUT, digital photography has delivered in the decade when "film suppose to die off slowly" is better than film ISO performance. Though there are those who will claim film is still better, but without film labs support, it is still a pain to shoot film these days. But digital has given us better ISO performance (I cannot remember shooting bast ISO400 on film that often, though there were rare cases where I did shoot on very high ISO and super grainy Black and White film). The ability to print a high resolution 8 x 10 print with almost no graininess and sharpness that only high end SLR could produce. The currently available E-System cameras and lenses has already satisfied me.

With the E5, I am disappointed that Olympus chose to use the bloody E3 chassis. That really put me off because the E3 is really inferior in ergonomics as compared to the earlier E1, and even E10/E20. I still don't understand why they did not choose to go back to that superior ergonomic handling of the past, but I believe "market acceptance" is a key factor here. E-1 was simply too weird looking for the masses, until they hold one. But that said, it has been done.

** I hate the E3 because of the prism/focusing glass design. Under really harsh environments, it does not keep dust out as well as the E1.

Truth is, I have faith that the E5 will have improvements over the E3. The engine update/upgrade itself is already something to look forward to. (I remember being blown away by the E-P1 images for the "new color" though I did not really like the E-PL1 because the colors produced by the latter was not "Olympus-ish".) And having video functionality would be nice for events that a "sweeping capture" of a scene can help me remember the place better.

But what scares me is how the E5 was put together "roughly". Instead of designing a camera with faster processing with great power management, they chose the easier way of slapping on fast processors and then introducing (most likely expensive) new high capacity batteries. We know Olympus factory batts are more than S$100 per piece, so one can only imagine the price of the new high cap batt. I don't like that. I am still very concerned about (1) Overheating with the new fast processors. (2) Battery drain speed when used with the older BLM-1.

While it is touted as "better imaging" with "video capabilities" and " world's first you-wanted-it high res swivel screen", I am still concerned about the chassis design and the electronics behind it. Being Olympus flagship, it HAS to be tough. Very tough. The E1 was a tank, and went everywhere I went. Under harsh weather conditions and what's not. Canon and Nikon has upped their "toughness meter" and this made me expect more from Olympus. But I might be disappointed again, because the E3 was a great disappointment. The prism/focusing screen dust issue was never resolved. Dust accumulated as quickly as 3 months after it was serviced. I didn't even bother to bring it back this time.

And to my horror to see the same form factor in the new E5. That is where I lost it.

So yes, I am looking forward to the new camera for its imaging abilities. But for the hardware design... it is rubbish. They went backwards in camera design. They did so well with E1... but was that camera so hard to update its design? Maybe it is. One will find it hard to update "perfection". No wonder the E1 has its cult status.

I can only wait and see.
 

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Oh! hahahahaha, No lah, I'm also waiting for Headfonz to set up the new thread!

Why you want to try a pre-production model? :think:

I am sure when the production units are rolled out, Olympus Singapore will be most happy to let users here get one to touch-touch-play-play.
 

I am sure when the production units are rolled out, Olympus Singapore will be most happy to let users here get one to touch-touch-play-play.
Probably can also press-press-poke-poke. :bsmilie:
 

After all these years, it remains status quo. I would have expected a simple and positive answer like," Mr Lee, come and try the E-5/12-60, you will be amazed how much better it is going to be against your 5D/OM lens". It seems I have to continue looking somewhere else as I may require AF very soon, chuck everything and begin afresh. Thank you for showing me the door.

Sorry I missed your post here in the sea of posts.

Nightpiper was right in his reply.

Legacy lenses usually find it hard to compete with modern lens design as modern sensors demands a lot more from the lenses to resolve image better. Therefore I can safely say you will be quite impressed with a 12-60mm/E5 combo. BUT, at this day and age, there are also options out there if you are looking to build a system all over again. Though I would not go anywhere else since I have heavily invested into the E-System, but I would also look at what Pentax has got to offer... just for reference.

Of course, if you have a biggest budget, then there is always the top of the line Canon and Nikon. I am sure you will have no regrets with them other than weight issues. That is the only thing that puts me off the big boys. They are good camera systems, without a single doubt... but the rig is so heavy, I don't have that physical stamina to use them for long hours of shooting.

Wait and see the new E5. And I am sure many here has the OM-E-Mount adapter. Bring your fav lens and join the gang for the hands on event. Bring your SD card too, so that you can save the sample images and pixel peep at home. I am sure the E5 imaging capabilities will be quite stunning, and be miles better than the older Canon 5D. But not sure how much better (if at all) against the 5DMkII since no one has yet to see a straight-from-camera image from the E5.

I always believe in touching and feeling the camera first, and seeing the sample images before buying anything. So far nothing has compelled me more than the E-System and it remains even so until today. I believe we shared the same reasons as you were an OM-ie. (Think the word "homie") We should be of the same breed that love the Tatsuno glass and that is why we ended up with what we have.

I believe you will love the E5. Don't let my ranting affect your judgement. See and touch for yourself.
 

To those who have not been with the E-System from the start, here is a simple illustration on why I keep ranting that the new E5 is sort of "unfinished business".

Use a E1 and mount up a 50-200 lens and shoot for 30 min.
Then switch to a E3 and mount the 50-200 and shoot for the same duration.
You will then understand what I mean by ergonomics.

The E1 focusing screen can be user removed and swapped.
Not for the E3.

The battery on the E1 grip lasts forever.
The grip on the E3? Enough has been discussed.

And yet Olympus chose to use the E3 chassis.

Maybe a short and simple post like this can explain my displeasure.
 

To those who have not been with the E-System from the start, here is a simple illustration on why I keep ranting that the new E5 is sort of "unfinished business".

Use a E1 and mount up a 50-200 lens and shoot for 30 min.
Then switch to a E3 and mount the 50-200 and shoot for the same duration.
You will then understand what I mean by ergonomics.

The E1 focusing screen can be user removed and swapped.
Not for the E3.

The battery on the E1 grip lasts forever.
The grip on the E3? Enough has been discussed.

Ah... The grip on the E-1 is as close to heaven my fingers can feel, and I do miss the E-1 grip, I have not swapped my batteries in months for my E-1 :bsmilie: At least my fingers stop hurting from holding a D200 without a handstrap
 

Funny you mentioned about the prism as a weak point bro.

That's where water got into my E-3; now it cannot meter anything below 1 EV properly.
 

nei nei. after waiting for coming to 3 yrs, Olympus throw out a technology that they claims to be the next flagship but was launch 1 over yrs back by competitor still wanting to price it at 2.4K or 3.2K. Hey Oly! are you drunk or dreaming? Really disappointed. In my view anything abv 1.6K is over price. Store your stock inside containers if u are asking to fetch for high price.
 

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