Odex Directors wanna sue anime downloaders in Singapore.

[CYRN]

This is great. Odex now seek the help of an IT Security OFFENDER, AKA HACKER to prove their methods.
Why dun we bring in T T Durai to perform acrobatics in the next Charity show ?

More nonsense ahead

I believe their term "Hacker" dosen't have the same meaning.

 

[furrycake]

Oh mama! Looked whom they had roped in to help?


Now, can anyone here tell me on what basis did The Learned Judge Ernest Lau threw the case out on?
- Possible misinterpretation of results by a non-IT expert?
- Distributor has no basis to sue as they are not the exclusive copyright holder?

Which is? :think:

hacker?! eeeeeeeeekkkkk!! dont hack my pcccccc!! :cry:

 

[CYRN]

how can they do that when the case already showed that all they did was purchase the software and run it themselves and not use Bay as the one who checks...

If Mark can proof that they are using the software correctly and justify that the output of the software is able to track to downloders.

IMHO, the second part would be very hard without ISP's help.

 

[furrycake]

I believe their term "Hacker" dosen't have the same meaning.

think that guy was a former hacker but now working as official 'hacker'?
hey we have our consumers' rights........no justice liao..

 

[jsbn]

This is great. Odex now seek the help of an IT Security OFFENDER, AKA HACKER to prove their methods.
Why dun we bring in T T Durai to perform acrobatics in the next Charity show ?

More nonsense ahead

*ahem* I give u 30secs to think over ur typical stereotype mentality again.

I give u a hint first: "Black & White".

Now go figure the rest and u might wanna change ur reply again.

 

[Prismatic]

A 'hacker' is just a name for someone who cracks computer codes. Of course a more professional sounding name will be 'computer security expert'. It's a jargon, but we always see in a negative light in the mass media.

Just search in dictionary.com or wikipedia, a hacker can be a decent job too.

 

[eikin]

:think: is BayTSP authorized to extend their operations beyond USA?

 

[Static]

*ahem* I give u 30secs to think over ur typical stereotype mentality again.

I give u a hint first: "Black & White".

Now go figure the rest and u might wanna change ur reply again.

:embrass: My bad. He is a security expert. Paiseh

 

[garou12]

:think: is BayTSP authorized to extend their operations beyond USA?

that's a good point esp its been shown by peopel that their services aren't reliable at all. Makes me wonder who's next on their roledex...Miyazaki?!

 

[Static]

:embrass: My bad. He is a security expert. Paiseh

October 27, 2003
DRILLING DOWN
Pirate(d) Films Online

OVIES

Pirate(d) Films Online

The company Mark Ishikawa founded in 1999, BayTSP, sleuths out digital pirates online. Its clients, which he says he is not free to identify, include three major movie studios and three of the major record labels. In his youth, Mr. Ishikawa hacked into the computer system at Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, and to avoid prosecution, agreed to help the lab’s security staff shore up its system.
Now, Mr. Ishikawa searches the Web for evidence of pirated material and sends out notices to infringers. BayTSP compiles a monthly list of top Hollywood films, noting how many copies of them are available, illegally, online. Mr. Ishikawa said that the data might underscore the importance of releasing a movie on DVD soon after its theatrical releas, “You can’t go out and buy ‘Finding Nemo’ right now so people are going to pirate it.”


LISA NAPOLI


http://www.nytimes.com/2003/10/27/b...0&partner=USERLAND&pagewanted=print&position=

 

[eikin]

that's a good point esp its been shown by peopel that their services aren't reliable at all. Makes me wonder who's next on their roledex...Miyazaki?!

reliable or not, BayTSP is not some international police, just as telcos are not allowed to release customer information without proper authorization, i believe it's not proper for a private commercial entity to sneak into the system to obtain personal data, i believe unauthorized hacking is not legal ... who knows, maybe they are shooting themselves in the foot, like Xedo :bsmilie:

 

[eikin]

i'm thinking, assuming Xedo employed the help of BayTSP, how does Xedo link whatever search results BayTSP may produce to match that in the list ISPs provide? or do they already know which ISP those people in BayTSP's list belongs to? if so how?

it just gets more interesting :devil:

 

[Prismatic]

i'm thinking, assuming Xedo employed the help of BayTSP, how does Xedo link whatever search results BayTSP may produce to match that in the list ISPs provide? or do they already know which ISP those people in BayTSP's list belongs to? if so how?

it just gets more interesting :devil:

It's not that difficult actually. First of all, Torrent in itself is an unsecured p2p software. Instead of going through a particular server, Torrent links the individuals directly for the transfer of data. All the individual IPs are listed and logged by the Torrent client program itself. IP addresses can easily be tracked back to whichever ISP they belong to because ISPs are usually allocated a range of IP addresses they can use. You can use www.apnic.net or www.ripe.net to search for IP addresses too. In fact, some torrent clients can even log how much of a particular file a peer has downloaded (Whether this is coherent data or not, it's impossible to tell though).

What I'm guessing is BayTSP simply automates the logging and checking of IP address against the regional database. There's no hacking or breaking into private servers to obtain any information. They wouldn't know the identities of the torrents peers until they get the IP logs from the ISPs. I believe with most ISPs in Singapore, they are using dynamic IPs, which the ISP assigns to you only when you log on. However, as previously discussed on other forums, what this simply means is that the act of downloading is only associated with an IP address. This sometimes can be actually be quite a loose link.

 

[garou12]

check this out:

http://miyamoto-sensei.com/lolicontrol/2006/12/31/i-talked-to-odex/

 

[eikin]

It's not that difficult actually. First of all, Torrent in itself is an unsecured p2p software. Instead of going through a particular server, Torrent links the individuals directly for the transfer of data. All the individual IPs are listed and logged by the Torrent client program itself. IP addresses can easily be tracked back to whichever ISP they belong to because ISPs are usually allocated a range of IP addresses they can use. You can use www.apnic.net or www.ripe.net to search for IP addresses too. In fact, some torrent clients can even log how much of a particular file a peer has downloaded (Whether this is coherent data or not, it's impossible to tell though).

What I'm guessing is BayTSP simply automates the logging and checking of IP address against the regional database. There's no hacking or breaking into private servers to obtain any information. They wouldn't know the identities of the torrents peers until they get the IP logs from the ISPs. I believe with most ISPs in Singapore, they are using dynamic IPs, which the ISP assigns to you only when you log on. However, as previously discussed on other forums, what this simply means is that the act of downloading is only associated with an IP address. This sometimes can be actually be quite a loose link.

ooo ... which actually means that even BayTSP don't have much of a thing to say except that they have found a couple of people with high download/upload volumes? which may/may not be related to anime at all?

 

[Prismatic]

ooo ... which actually means that even BayTSP don't have much of a thing to say except that they have found a couple of people with high download/upload volumes? which may/may not be related to anime at all?

What their program/service can probably say is, they have logged certain IP addresses that are connected by Torrent to a shared file at a certain time. And after checking, these IP addresses belong to certain ISPs range.

That's why xedO has to get a court order so that the ISPs have to release the log of who was assigned that particular IP address during the particular time it was connected to the file.

 

[AReality]

ooo ... which actually means that even BayTSP don't have much of a thing to say except that they have found a couple of people with high download/upload volumes? which may/may not be related to anime at all?

They will be able to see the filename of the file(s) you allegedly downloading. But as everyone know, filenames need not correspond to the contents in the file.

.

 

[eikin]

What their program/service can probably say is, they have logged certain IP addresses that are connected by Torrent to a shared file at a certain time. And after checking, these IP addresses belong to certain ISPs range.

That's why xedO has to get a court order so that the ISPs have to release the log of who was assigned that particular IP address during the particular time it was connected to the file.

interesting ... does it mean that when one is connected by Torrent to a shared file, it is confirmed that that person is uploading/downloading the file? :think:

 

[StrifeYun]

interesting ... does it mean that when one is connected by Torrent to a shared file, it is confirmed that that person is uploading/downloading the file? :think:

yah loh , how to confirm and verify, what if i likfe to anyhow D/L stuff to make full use of my band width ? D/L 90% then delete away, so what am i guilty at ?

 

[Prismatic]

interesting ... does it mean that when one is connected by Torrent to a shared file, it is confirmed that that person is uploading/downloading the file? :think:

You can't tell whether if he's downloading at a particular moment (unless they log his progress over a period of time), but you can probably know how much he has ALREADY downloaded in %.

I may be wrong, but I think it's quite hard to tell whether he's uploading unless you are directly connected to him as a peer, and he's sending you data. However due to the nature of BitTorrent, files are transferred in segments. Hence, even if say, a person has downloaded 50% of a video file, it doesn't mean that person is able to view 50% of the video length. It depends on how the particular file is encoded.