Odex Directors wanna sue anime downloaders in Singapore.

[Prismatic]

ISPs would know anything and everything you do on your pc via internet.. like our server would know everything we do on our pcs :sweatsm:

the case that Odex is putting up now is, they claiming against those who 'downloaded' the free anime. downloaded isnt just downloading the chapter/ episode into your pc, it also includes viewing free anime. i think that includes people who surf youtube :sweatsm:

difficult or not, i think Odex should just fold up.

That may be true, but it's a bit different from using Torrent. On torrent, all the connected user IPs are there for all to see. On Youtube, I don't they actually list out the people actually watching the video. I think it's a bit overboard to go up to the ISPs and demand that they release the list of their IPs who are connected to that particular video.

But sadly, certain ISPs may just that do that if asked of them.

 

[garou12]

this is what Odex has done - they made use of the fact that many people are afraid of legal matters - kena letter of demand then just pay and hopefully the matter ends as that. unfortunately even if they were to pay Odex, they cannot escape the law. that's what odex was saying - that even if odex doesnt want to pursue against the users, the law still goes after the users. duhz

you dun get it do you? making use of the fact and twisting it to suit your purpose during a negotiation is not cause of duress at all. Unless they did it in changi prison and wave the jail thing in your face then the singapore court will find for duress. This one bo duress since its in their office in Anson plaza. What they do to the people who sign is a bluff to put it crudely. You play cards i bluff you i got better hand, you believe me does that mean i cause you duress?

 

[furrycake]

you dun get it do you? making use of the fact and twisting it to suit your purpose during a negotiation is not cause of duress at all. Unless they did it in changi prison and wave the jail thing in your face then the singapore court will find for duress. This one bo duress since its in their office in Anson plaza. What they do is a con job to put it crudely. You play cards i bluff you i got better hand, you believe me does that mean i cause you duress?

i agree with you... but those who signed the papers basically can get out of the 'contract' shd they want to. how shall i put it? originally no case but they just shot themselves in the leg by binding themselves legally - also proven that they are guilty.


edit : ive been co-erced before, some doggone issues but not this odex saga. trust me, there's always a way to argue out.
odex is con ? i like that ;p look at my earlier post.. if users are conned into the contract then the contract is BREACHED :devil:

 

[eikin]

i agree with you... but those who signed the papers basically can get out of the 'contract' shd they want to. how shall i put it? originally no case but they just shot themselves in the leg by binding themselves legally - also proven that they are guilty.

odex is con ? i like that ;p look at my earlier post.. if users are conned into the contract then the contract is BREACHED :devil:

let's put it this way, you sign Odex's papers, you sue Odex for breach of contract or whatever, but you also put yourself in the limelight by telling everyone that you (or your child) admitted to infringement of copyright. what happens outside of your case with Odex is a different matter already :angel:

 

[garou12]

i agree with you... but those who signed the papers basically can get out of the 'contract' shd they want to. how shall i put it? originally no case but they just shot themselves in the leg by binding themselves legally - also proven that they are guilty.


edit : ive been co-erced before, some doggone issues but not this odex saga. trust me, there's always a way to argue out.
odex is con ? i like that ;p look at my earlier post.. if users are conned into the contract then the contract is BREACHED :devil:

if there's deliberate misrepresentation yes, but AG can use the contract as admission of guilt and bring charges against the victims. Its alittle like using stolen evidence...these things got grey area one. the judge will say you since you read and sign it assume you know what will happen. no fly. However if this happen somewhere else then different story...

 

[garou12]

let's put it this way, you sign Odex's papers, you sue Odex for breach of contract or whatever, but you also put yourself in the limelight by telling everyone that you (or your child) admitted to infringement of copyright. what happens outside of your case with Odex is a different matter already :angel:

yea that's what i've been trying to say.

 

[furrycake]

let's put it this way, you sign Odex's papers, you sue Odex for breach of contract or whatever, but you also put yourself in the limelight by telling everyone that you (or your child) admitted to infringement of copyright. what happens outside of your case with Odex is a different matter already :angel:

yes... those who signed the papers literally dug their own graves...

btw i dont have case with odex - yet leh :think: it's other issue, totally unrelated to this anime saga whereby i was co-erced and i kept quiet. hard to explain here..

 

[garou12]

yes... those who signed the papers literally dug their own graves...

btw i dont have case with odex - yet leh :think: it's other issue, totally unrelated to this anime saga whereby i was co-erced and i kept quiet. hard to explain here..

yea no need to explain. i think this case you mix up duress and misrepresentation...what you've been saying is more of misreprestation...completely different things.

 

[jsbn]

besides, why are they even demanding money from users ? where do the money go to after odex collected? back to the owners or sole distributors? :dunno:

Someone, whom I had been in contact with was amongst the first to be odexed.

He's a 15yr old young chap.

Well, according to his testimony, what he was briefed at Odex's office was that, the money collected would be paid to the Japanese company.

I was a little stumped when they released another press statement saying that the money actually goes to their 'investigation costs' & 'admin fees' instead.

Which goes?

 

[furrycake]

yea no need to explain. i think this case you mix up duress and misrepresentation...what you've been saying is more of misreprestation...completely different things.

duress... sounds like... :sweat::bsmilie:
we'll see how other people say then. sorry for my mixup

 

[garou12]

duress... sounds like... :sweat::bsmilie:
we'll see how other people say then. sorry for my mixup

duress is basically a form of coercsion. hope that clears things up for you.

 

[garou12]

Someone, whom I had been in contact with was amongst the first to be odexed.

He's a 15yr old young chap.

Well, according to his testimony, what he was briefed at Odex's office was that, the money collected would be paid to the Japanese company.

I was a little stumped when they released another press statement saying that the money actually goes to their 'investigation costs' & 'admin fees' instead.

Which goes?

they really told him that? even more fishy then. they say one thing to someone and say something else to people. Tell your friend to talk more about what they told him...heck even have him go to court and say so under testimony. sounds like that thing about extortion is more and more relevant now. when did he kena?

 

[garou12]

AVPAS president speaks:
http://haitaka.googlepages.com/home2
make of it what you will...

 

[vince123123]

I think this conversation was prior to the recent fiasco. I saw it before somewhere....

AVPAS president speaks:
http://haitaka.googlepages.com/home2
make of it what you will...

 

[jsbn]

Oh mama! Looked whom they had roped in to help?

Former hacker to help appeal against court ruling
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Anime distributor Odex has roped in a Silicon Valley-based former hacker to appeal against a court's decision. Last Thursday, Odex failed in its bid to force Pacific Internet (PacNet) to hand over the data of suspected illegal downloaders, whom Odex had tracked down with the help of Internet investigation firm BayTSP.
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BayTSP's chief executive officer Mark Ishikawa, a former hacker, will arrive in Singapore later this week to help Odex prepare its appeal, according to his publicist Jim Graham.
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Mr Ishikawa has has appeared as an expert witness in the United States on peer-to-peer technologies. Recently, BayTSP gathered evidence for Viacom in its US$1-billion ($1.5-billion) lawsuit against Google and YouTube.
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Mr Graham told Today: "Mark will be working with Odex to demonstrate that we were under contract to Odex and that our data identified the IP addresses of individuals who were downloading and sharing copyrighted material licensed by Odex."
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— LOH CHEE KONG

Now, can anyone here tell me on what basis did The Learned Judge Ernest Lau threw the case out on?
- Possible misinterpretation of results by a non-IT expert?
- Distributor has no basis to sue as they are not the exclusive copyright holder?

Which is? :think:

 

[garou12]

Oh mama! Looked whom they had roped in to help?


Now, can anyone here tell me on what basis did The Learned Judge Ernest Lau threw the case out on?
- Possible misinterpretation of results by a non-IT expert?
- Distributor has no basis to sue as they are not the exclusive copyright holder?

Which is? :think:

Also can they bring in this "expert" witness now? Is this considered new evidence? And wasn't it mentioned that they didn't hire BayTSP in the first place and just use their software themselves?

 

[jsbn]

If they are bringing in Ishikawa simply to provide the stand on expert witness & give a description to the bittorrent protocol to damn it in the eyes of the Court, well, I got a feeling that they might be juz wasting money.

We all knew on what basis did DJ Lau threw that case out on, its all written in such layman language. Don't tell me there are ppl who doesn't understand it?

If they continue like this, I guess it wun be the courts or internet community opening the can of worms but it would be themselves opening up the can of worms themselves. If they wanna act like RIAA and throw up some high profile court case to generate publicity, can say that this publicity's gonna be the final nail in their own coffins.

 

[vince123123]

They said that they are bringing him in to "to demonstrate that we were under contract to Odex and that our data identified the IP addresses of individuals who were downloading and sharing copyrighted material licensed by Odex."

That said, I'd think they need to file an application to get the court's leave to admit new evidence if they are going along this line.

 

[Static]

This is great. Odex now seek the help of an IT Security OFFENDER, AKA HACKER to prove their methods.
Why dun we bring in T T Durai to perform acrobatics in the next Charity show ?

More nonsense ahead

 

[garou12]

They said that they are bringing him in to "to demonstrate that we were under contract to Odex and that our data identified the IP addresses of individuals who were downloading and sharing copyrighted material licensed by Odex."

That said, I'd think they need to file an application to get the court's leave to admit new evidence if they are going along this line.

how can they do that when the case already showed that all they did was purchase the software and run it themselves and not use Bay as the one who checks...