observations of buy/sell behaviors

[ricleo]

Anyway, I noticed the last message you sent was about the Hoya RM90 IR filter too, stating you cannot get the IR effect. Which makes me wonders more.

http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=1301

Woah man...he even went as far as to cover his own backside and delete his message on the thread you've posted earlier blurblock.....but there's no way he could delete ark19's reply to him which quoted his original message and was replied specificly to dtaytc...

I would like to buy one too, but found out that in yahoo auction, someone is selling very high price. So hope that u can tell me the shop where I can get one too. Really very nice photo of those who have already used this special effect filter. Wow... Do u know the different effects it have when using 720nm and 1000nm wavelength IR filter.. wat is the different? Pls advise me b4 i buy wrongly.. Thanks so much...

Pls reply to dtaytc@pmail.ntu.edu.sg or sms to me directly at 9xxxxxxx

Hi dtaytc, I bought my R72 filter from Fotoguide which is closed down already, you can try and ask John 3:16 at Funan. They had helped me to bring in a Hoya hood, so I think it shouldn't be a prob.

 

[ricleo]

hey, alloy, i purposely woke up to view some more of u and that guys conversation leh... how come no more liao? i tot u r so good in complaining about me? and keep ruining my nick? wat else u can say?

for everyone out there... one last thing i would like to STRONG say : WAT I HAVE DID I WILL ADMIT !! WAT I HAVEN'T DONE I WUN ADMIT !! so if u choose to believe me, i appreciate it... thanks...

BTW dtaytc, no one can ruin your nick/name if you have done nothing wrong...only you yourself can... after that defending yourself with another nick fiasco, i dare say that you were the one who ruined your own name. Do note that Alloy did not mention your nick nor your name until after you tried the coolzzz fiasco to pull people to your side.

Without the coolzzz thing happening, I could have given you the benefit of the doubt and thought that things may not be as bad...but after what you did to cover your own backside.....

 

[PLRBEAR]

Funny fella......after all that jazz....still haven't admitted what he did or did not do.

 

[blurblock]

eh blurblock you really blur liao... dtaytc and coolzzz are the same person.... some more his name is david from NTU mechanical Eng... hmmm so David Tay?

Hehehe .... that message acts as a scarastic remark for him lah .

 

[Brandon]

Woah man...he even went as far as to cover his own backside and delete his message on the thread you've posted earlier blurblock.....but there's no way he could delete ark19's reply to him which quoted his original message and was replied specificly to dtaytc...

Wah.. good investigative work ricleo :thumbsup:

 

[ricleo]

Wah.. good investigative work ricleo :thumbsup:

haha brandon, thanks...actually was just kaypohing to see what was posted in that thread but couldn't find it.

BTW i'm from NTU too....i guess that's why this kind of stunt being pulled off by a NTU guy really pisses me off... haha...from you avatar taken near hall 1/2? looks like those covered walkways.

 

[Brandon]

haha brandon, thanks...actually was just kaypohing to see what was posted in that thread but couldn't find it.

BTW i'm from NTU too....i guess that's why this kind of stunt being pulled off by a NTU guy really pisses me off... haha...from you avatar taken near hall 1/2? looks like those covered walkways.

It's more like from near Hall 8 Bus stop, by the road along Simtech Valley block.

Agree with you that this guy's action pisses me off... some more I'm from mechanical engineering too :cry:

 

[blurblock]

:thumbsd:

It's more like from near Hall 8 Bus stop, by the road along Simtech Valley block.

Agree with you that this guy's action pisses me off... some more I'm from mechanical engineering too :cry:

Luckily I am from Communications Department :bsmilie:

 

[arikevin]

pls lah... make police report? huh? have i commit any crime or wat? hey, is he who review my nick out... i din ever review or go to any forum to say something bad about him rite? hey, if really wanna make police report , i sould be the one who do it first man....

pls lah, if u kana say until like this next time, how will u feel? wah pian, is there any good guys here? how come all of u guys are think thinking bad and horrible...

wahahahhaahhahaa.... u r one funny guy! How old are you? I bet you are in your early quarter of your 20. U behave like a guy still sucking thumbs.

Well, if you think he is guilty, you could have just reported the police. No guts? Or was it because you don't have enough evidence to support it and would end yourself up in jail? Take the photo of the filter and post it here. Let us be the judges if the filter is really fake. No guts to do that too? Afraid of further shaming? If it's a fake, why would you still want to keep it when the seller asked u to return him the filter? To me, you sound like a guy without integrity at all. zilch. zero. kosong.

If you are guilty and man enough, just admit!

 

[yinkhoon]

dtaytc,

1) Pay up the $20 you owe and salvage what is left of your pride, character and reputation.

2) Return the filter and get a refund of what you have paid up, and salvage what is left of your pride, character and reputation. Hey, you can't complain when you have had free use of the filter in the period and also caused Alloy much hassle when he could have had a clean straightfoward deal with another person. Don't worry, I doubt Alloy will be so cheapskate as to ask whether he can give you $20 less and pay you back another time.

3) Provide conclusive evidence to show that the filter Alloy has provided is 'fake'. But the question arises as to why you if you really think it's a fake, who in his right mind would chose to cling on to it even when Alloy has offered to take it back and refund you. And pls do not scratch the filter now while it is in your possession and claim it was already damaged when Alloy sold it to you, because again you could have chosen not to accept it at time of inspection and purchase.

4) If you are not willing to act on any of the above 3 options, then I am afraid you have no alternative but keep quiet and let everyone here trash your character at will.

 

[ricleo]

dtaytc,

1) Pay up the $20 you owe and salvage what is left of your pride, character and reputation.

2) Return the filter and get a refund of what you have paid up, and salvage what is left of your pride, character and reputation. Hey, you can't complain when you have had free use of the filter in the period and also caused Alloy much hassle when he could have had a clean straightfoward deal with another person. Don't worry, I doubt Alloy will be so cheapskate as to ask whether he can give you $20 less and pay you back another time.

3) Provide conclusive evidence to show that the filter Alloy has provided is 'fake'. But the question arises as to why you if you really think it's a fake, who in his right mind would chose to cling on to it even when Alloy has offered to take it back and refund you. And pls do not scratch the filter now while it is in your possession and claim it was already damaged when Alloy sold it to you, because again you could have chosen not to accept it at time of inspection and purchase.

4) If you are not willing to act on any of the above 3 options, then I am afraid you have no alternative but keep quiet and let everyone here trash your character at will.

yup...I wouldn't even mind taking over the filter from Alloy if you so choose to get the full refund option since I'm kind of interested in purchasing a ir filter myself.

 

[sesame_street98]

pls lah... make police report? huh? have i commit any crime or wat? hey, is he who review my nick out... i din ever review or go to any forum to say something bad about him rite? hey, if really wanna make police report , i sould be the one who do it first man....

pls lah, if u kana say until like this next time, how will u feel? wah pian, is there any good guys here? how come all of u guys are think thinking bad and horrible...

Alloy has the right to make police report in the eyes of law.
It is considered as breach of contract, even tho' it is unwritten

Go for it alloy!

 

[RuthBaby]

Wah Liew.. I read also LPPL

deepest condolence... alloy!

haiz!!!

i jus canx believe it... it happens here too...

 

[long]

In all honesty, this is the only place in Singapore where I find the term "reserved" so often used and (not surprisingly) abused.

In any other place of buy and sell, its always the "first come first served" rule
that is practiced.

If Robinsons had a sale, do you think you can call in and ask them to reserve something for a week before you turn up? If Harvey Norman had a below cost sale, try calling them to reserve it?

All sellers should stick to the show me the money principle. If you want to buy something, come to me first and pay me and you will have it. Ppl who begin their posts have every right to demand conditions are met. So stick to your guns and demand speed of settlement from the buyer else it goes to somebody else!

So if I wanna sell something and require that that somebody must be able to suck my toes as well, and you are not willing to do so, too bad for you. If one is willing to dilly and dally on the conditions for the deal (1 week reserve period for Christ's sake), you are only inviting yourself to be screwed.

If you wanna reserve something out of your own accord, do it for your friends or those you can trust only! I would only if its one of my friends or ppl I have dealt with previously!

The flip side of this issue is that it is so ridiculous that items posted 5 mins before hand gets reserved by kiasu ppl (and therefore made unavailable) even though the serious buyers are willing and serious enough to make the trip immediately to pay.

Fact is that ppl change their minds, even in the real commercial world. You only end up seeing a ridiculous number of "I got stood up, so item is available again" re-posts which hog bandwidth and screws serious buyers/sellers alike.

Both buyer and seller's fault.

There is a reason why Time and money, Time=money has served the commercial world so well. I never have any problems because I tell ppl its a done deal only when the money changes hands.

i have been trying to buy a used camera on buy/sell for the last week or two. however, i noticed there is this irritating habit of sellers (over PM) to imply to the buyer that the deal has been closed and then turn around and tell us (the buyers) some time later that the item has been sold.

i dunno if this is a normal practice (and if so i will shut up) but for goodness sake, either tell us "sorry, the offer price is too low" and end at that, or give us a chance to counter bid..!! i've been downheartened too many times when i thought i got the deal, and was gleefully looking forward to getting the item and then it fell through....

 

[arikevin]

Alloy has the right to make police report in the eyes of law.
It is considered as breach of contract, even tho' it is unwritten

Go for it alloy!

I think the term is breach of trust.

 

[loupgarou]

what I suggest is this:

a) moderator or admin, print out thread with IP addresses stated. since both coolzzz and dtayc will have the same ip addresses , that would be telling/admission of guilt.
lock thread to prevent post deletion, but I think we can infer from that.

b) go to small claims tribunal and file a claim, if he misses the hearing,you can get an injunction against him.

c) based on the his registration email addresses at clubsnap, you should be able to get a court order to subpeona them , or maybe the injunction will do, to get his home address.

d) get a writ of seizure against him if he refused to pay up over the sum oweing + costs *ie: tribunal filing fee of $20) or return the item + $20. then go to his place with the baliff and start taking things from his house to the equivalent value.. I suggest his camera equipment.

 

[loupgarou]

oops. forgot to mention, yes, take the camera, put it on public auction, *with a REAL CHEAP MINIMUM BID*

then after you manage to sell his camera (lets hope its a 1Ds for just $1000), you give him $980 less costs in change while you pocket the $20..+ costs


that's the way to be mean,

 

[loupgarou]

oh yeah. but for starters you can post out his personal information in clubsnap.

a) it will force him to change line, which will cost him more than the price of the filter.
b) if he doesn't , well, if everyone calls him, it'll be like a DDOS attack/slashdotting that even picking up a call will cost him money *unless he got free incoming call grr* and render his phone unusable *great if he has call waiting*

my advice, do not try to cheat on clubsnap. there are ways and means to punish

 

[long]

Does all this really help things?

My point is that if one acts like a peanut, you attract monkeys (in these buy/sell situations).

Acts of reservation etc. count for nuts (pardon the continuing analogy). You end up having two opposing gangs of warring monkeys. Buyers blaming sellers and vice-versa.

There is no commitment in the way of consideration to honour such promises. Its easily dismissed as part of negotiations.

Save it only for your best friends, this thing called trust.

oh yeah. but for starters you can post out his personal information in clubsnap.

a) it will force him to change line, which will cost him more than the price of the filter.
b) if he doesn't , well, if everyone calls him, it'll be like a DDOS attack/slashdotting that even picking up a call will cost him money *unless he got free incoming call grr* and render his phone unusable *great if he has call waiting*

my advice, do not try to cheat on clubsnap. there are ways and means to punish

 

[sesame_street98]

what I suggest is this:

a) moderator or admin, print out thread with IP addresses stated. since both coolzzz and dtayc will have the same ip addresses , that would be telling/admission of guilt.
lock thread to prevent post deletion, but I think we can infer from that.

b) go to small claims tribunal and file a claim, if he misses the hearing,you can get an injunction against him.

c) based on the his registration email addresses at clubsnap, you should be able to get a court order to subpeona them , or maybe the injunction will do, to get his home address.

d) get a writ of seizure against him if he refused to pay up over the sum oweing + costs *ie: tribunal filing fee of $20) or return the item + $20. then go to his place with the baliff and start taking things from his house to the equivalent value.. I suggest his camera equipment.

I think this can work....