Nikon announce DX digital lenses

[denizenx]

Originally posted by erwinx
The (fantasy?) future:


DSLRs will have full frame 16Mp+ 35mm sensors BUT:

They will have an option to go into 1.5x DX lens compatible mode. In this mode only the cropped 1.5x image is captured and sent to memory card, thus speeding up write times and frame rates. Multi-pattern metering is also adjusted to take into account the smaller image circle.

So in the studio (or the Zoo), weddings, etc, you can use full frame CCD with your big heavy 35mm glass. In this case, the DSLR replaces the medium format camera.

But when you go out hiking, sports photography, you bring along your 500 f/2.8 DO DX IS VR USM AF-S superlight lens with camera set to '1.5x mode', since you don't really need medium format quality....

sounds like the kodak multi-sized RAW... maybe they can upgrade firmaware to do that too?

60-600mm f1.4 IM A GK CFM @#%*^@^&@% haha the size of a light plasma cannon...

but seriously, now cheaper lens is pretty cos only the centre part is cropped out. but a DX lens wd u face the same quality loss at the edges?

 

[Wai]

Originally posted by Kho King
pardon me...if there is FF D-SLR, 1.5x factor can be done (just cropping) in photoshop later, right? :dunno:

i guess it will be even better if the camera can crop automatically....

save a lot of write time and memory space...

 

[denizenx]

pretty as in quite good quality..

 

[Larry]

Originally posted by Kho King
pardon me...if there is FF D-SLR, 1.5x factor can be done (just cropping) in photoshop later, right? :dunno:

erm, the 1.5x FLM factor doesn't refer to file or image pixel size, but to the focal length of the lens. i.e. a 100mm lens effectively becomes a 150mm lens on a Nikon DSLR. cropping doesn't change the focal length used (i.e. a picture taken with a 200mm lens will still have the same image perspective if you crop, but use a DSLR and the image is now with 300mm perspective).

dunno if i explain this clearly...

 

[ckiang]

Originally posted by denizenx


but set only via the cmd dial?

Yup. There's a little lever on the camera which couples mechanically to the lens. Its position determines what aperture to open to. It's akin to stopping a regular Nikkor AF lens all the way to minimum aperture and locking it there and let the camera do the job.

Regards
CK

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by Larry
hey, you do realize that makes you look like the flame-thrower wielding joker from the intro action sequence in Lethal Weapon 4.... make the rubber boots yellow and you look like the PCK from hell.... :bsmilie: :bsmilie: :bsmilie:

actually i was thinking more of the yellow raincoat in "Singing in the Rain"....

 

[Red Dawn]

*Dons the ultimate environmental protection suit, helmet with plexiglas visor, ready for the coup de grace......*

sorry sorry. it seems i have misunderstood err..."market realities". it seems many pple like small sensors, just like many absolutely LOVED the APS cameras. Boy was I wrong! And I thought APS is dead! Long live the smaller sensors - and long live the DX lenses and oh the fantasy 400 f2 AFS lens. Never mind if the 70-200 AFS is still not delivered - u guys are forward looking! Nevermind if APS was supported by many major manufacturers, while this seems to be just a Nikon fetish - it's still revolutionary!

Gotta give it to you guys! In the face of potentially cheaper and cheaper full frame sensors, u guys will pledge allegiance to stick to the smaller sensors and live with inferior image quality with more noise, lesser dynamic range, ultra wide angle distortion of 12mm or below lenses pretending to be medium wide angle lenses.

even more admirable, you are willing to accept all that by buying into a new lens system that is incompatible with the oh-so-traditional 35mm system (who needs the 35mm system anyway?). You are willing to throw money into an investment that Nikon wants you to make, just like they make you buy new DX flashes for their newer DSLR cameras. How exciting to buy new products to go with new ones! Canon is sooooo boring when they say the current EX flashes will still work with their new DSLRs.

Come on Canon! we need new toys like those that the Nikon guys crave! Wat's the big deal with a full frame 11 megapixel CMOS sensor that delivers superior resolution encoraching that of medium format???? What for, when we can settle for less resolution, less dynamic range, more noise with those smaller sensors? Come to think of it, wat on earth were the medium format guys thinking? We don't need them stinking BIG negatives! Quality doesn't really matter when your camera is small and cute!

And yes, those silly Leica folks. wat were they thinking when they created small fast lenses that uses the full frame of the 35mm system? Heck wat's the point of small, fast (even f1.0) and light lenses? they don't even do digital, those backward folks! duh! the world belongs to digital and the small sensor size!

so pls accept my sincere apology for not being forward looking and not thinking out of the box (frame). i thereby retire humbly from this discussion - after all, wat do I know about wide angle lenses and the problems of super wide angle lenses masquerading as wide angle lenses? What do I know about flare issues , lower contrast and the inherent lower resolution capability of ultra wide angle lenses? I don't even own a DSLR now!

:rbounce: :devil:

 

[Newbiez]

so theorectically does that mean that with a 35mm SLR, we should be able to produce bigger enlargement of prints than that of a DSLR?

 

[denizenx]

sorry Red Dawn... seems like our little Centre of Confusion here has taken out your flames somewhat... sorry if ur purgatory was reduced ;p ;p ;p

but APS is not revolutionary, it uses the same emulsions (i.e. resolution), costs more per roll. Overall u were paying for fancy features that's not impt to images. u were paying for services.
CCDs are different.

Gotta give it to you guys! In the face of potentially cheaper and cheaper full frame sensors, u guys will pledge allegiance to stick to the smaller sensors and live with inferior image quality with more noise, lesser dynamic range, ultra wide angle distortion of 12mm or below lenses pretending to be medium wide angle lenses.

no when new tech comes I think we'll all jump ship again, and have a new version of this thread no doubt the DX line is a stopgap solution.

Come on Canon! we need new toys like those that the Nikon guys crave! Wat's the big deal with a full frame 11 megapixel CMOS sensor that delivers superior resolution encoraching that of medium format???? What for, when we can settle for less resolution, less dynamic range, more noise with those smaller sensors? Come to think of it, wat on earth were the medium format guys thinking? We don't need them stinking BIG negatives! Quality doesn't really matter when your camera is small and cute!

LOL if only the PRICE didn't scale linearly as well..

And yes, those silly Leica folks. Heck wat's the point of small, fast (even f1.0) and light lenses?

so change the lens mount and call it a DX lens?

 

[Knighthunter]

How to simplify like this Nikkor DX lens will create black periphery on the 35mm negative/sildes since the image circle diameter is smaller than 35mm film width.
Half Frame CDD sensor only use half of the 35mm lens pontential image size.
Since creating full size CCD is damn expensive, why not make special lens dedicated to half frame DSLR...it will be more cost effective and affordable? Right?

 

[ckiang]

Originally posted by Newbiez
so theorectically does that mean that with a 35mm SLR, we should be able to produce bigger enlargement of prints than that of a DSLR?

Theoretically, yes. Practically. no.

While film has a higher resolution in theory, much of it is obscured by grain. Digital is grainless, and thus can be enlarged to a much larger size before it becomes objectionable. Do that to film, and your grain size becomes too huge.

Regards
CK

 

[Larry]

actually, if the new 12-24mm is only to be used with DSLR and not with film models, why don't they just call it the 18-36mm DX? just makes it so much more confusing when you chuck in the FLM disclaimer like that. :dunno:

 

[Knighthunter]

Sorry to add little bit, the FLM actually is talking about field of view not image size. Example 50mm lens angle of view is 60 deg (not so sure right or not) in 35mm but at HLF DSLR the angle of view is about 80 deg..so you will have tigher frame on DSLR compared to 35mm.

 

[ckiang]

Originally posted by Red Dawn
*Dons the ultimate environmental protection suit, helmet with plexiglas visor, ready for the coup de grace......*

sorry sorry. it seems i have misunderstood err..."market realities". it seems many pple like small sensors, just like many absolutely LOVED the APS cameras. Boy was I wrong! And I thought APS is dead! Long live the smaller sensors - and long live the DX lenses and oh the fantasy 400 f2 AFS lens. Never mind if the 70-200 AFS is still not delivered - u guys are forward looking! Nevermind if APS was supported by many major manufacturers, while this seems to be just a Nikon fetish - it's still revolutionary!

[snip!]

:rbounce: :devil:

Missing the point here.

There are MILLIONS (or more) of Nikon based DSLRs out there, including D100, S2 Pro, S1 Pro, D1, D1X, D1H, Nikon-based Kodak Pro DCSes, all of which have 1.3 to 1.5x multipliers. This lens caters to that market, which is HUGE. I see nothing wrong with a company coming up with a product to address this target group. True, you end up with another lens line. True it's a stop-gap measure, but it sure makes your user base happy. Very happy, that ultrawides are no longer a dream.

The apparent incompatibilites of the lenses on different Nikon bodies have been blown out of proportion. It may not be completely compatible, but hey, at least it fits. And apart from the G lenses which are again for an entirely different group of people, the rest of the lenses work fine if you don't mind losing VR, AF, AF-S, or metering. This is largely due to Nikon trying to (back then) maintain backwards compatibility for its users. The other 2 major manufacturers on the other hand, chose to abandon the current users and move on to another mount which will be "compatible in all future bodies". And soon, what happens when they outgrow that mount again? Abandon again? :devil:

Reminds me of Palm. When Palm released their m series handhelds, they effectively abandoned all the Palm users who are on the III, and V platforms. They promised all future accessories will be compatible, but who knows? Sony did it too, with the Memory Stick Pro, which isn't compatible with the older devices as well. F717 users who want to use MSPro? Too bad.

People who buy FF DSLRs wouldn't buy this anyway. True, you might upgrade to a FF DSLR which will make the DX lenses useless, but that's gonna be like at least 1-2 years before it drops to the price of the current 1.5x DSLRs anyway.

And what solution does anyone have for the millions of D30, D60 and the Kodak DCS (Canon) users out there who needs wide? So far, only the Sigma 15-30. Even the Canon 16-35L isn't quite as wide. And not to mention being an L lens, expensive.

Regards
CK

 

[denizenx]

Originally posted by Larry
actually, if the new 12-24mm is only to be used with DSLR and not with film models, why don't they just call it the 18-36mm DX? just makes it so much more confusing when you chuck in the FLM disclaimer like that. :dunno:

I think that's cos the lens is still F mount.. have to stick to 35mm nomenclature... haha flash the mktg team at close range?

 

[Darren]

Originally posted by Red Dawn
*Dons the ultimate environmental protection suit, helmet with plexiglas visor, ready for the coup de grace......*

Darren drops a 10-Kiloton H-Bomb on Red Dawn's fully-protected, visored head .... *kaboom* .... thereby pulverising and obliterating Red Dawn from the face of the Earth. Inexplicably, even with the huge blast and in the midst of the 2km deep crater and ravaged countryside, and in contrary to all known laws of physics and logic, a dented and scarred Leica lens cap sit forlornly in the centre of the blast site which signifies the last known location of Red Dawn ... ... ...

:rbounce: :rbounce:

:devil:

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by Darren
Darren drops a 10-Kiloton H-Bomb on Red Dawn's fully-protected, visored head .... *kaboom* .... thereby pulverising and obliterating Red Dawn from the face of the Earth. Inexplicably, even with the huge blast and in the midst of the 2km deep crater and ravaged countryside, and in contrary to all known laws of physics and logic, a dented and scarred Leica lens cap sit forlornly in the centre of the blast site which signifies the last known location of Red Dawn ... ... ...
:

ouch! i'll be baaaaaack!!! :rbounce: :devil:

 

[Wai]

Originally posted by Red Dawn


ouch! i'll be baaaaaack!!! :rbounce: :devil:

come back in this form?

http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?s=&threadid=19387

hehe....just joking....

 

[Bean]

Originally posted by Knighthunter
Sorry to add little bit, the FLM actually is talking about field of view not image size. Example 50mm lens angle of view is 60 deg (not so sure right or not) in 35mm but at HLF DSLR the angle of view is about 80 deg..so you will have tigher frame on DSLR compared to 35mm.

Thought the angle of view of a HLF DSLR is smaller? :dunno:

 

[Bean]

Regarding Nikon coming up with different kind of accessories catered for different equipment (eg. G lens, DX flashes, now DX lens etc...), I, as a Nikon user, am quite disappointed. When I first started photography 8 years back (now still a novice though ), I'm proud to be a Nikon user as most Nikkor lenses and flashes are back-ward compatible. Back-ward compatibility is actually an advantage against its competitors then. No need to worry about compatibility issues. When the first G lens was introduced, it seems to signal the beginning of the end of this superior advantage.

Looking at the direction Nikon is heading, it seems (to me) that G lenses will be the lenses of the future. Now with the introduction of DX flashes and DX lenses, Nikon will no longer be able to boost the past fact that all Nikkor lenses can be used on all Nikon bodies.

Sigh...