sample images out.
http://asia.olympus-imaging.com/products/dslr/epl1/sample/
what you think?
looks gd to me. ;p
http://asia.olympus-imaging.com/products/dslr/epl1/sample/
what you think?
looks gd to me. ;p
[ New Release 2010.03 ] - E-PL1
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shengliang1981
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What do you intend to shoot that requires a shutter speed higher than that? I believe 1/2000 is more than enough for freezing Formula 1 car.
shengliang1981
New Member
Looks pretty good. No samples with ISO higher than 400 though. I remember reading somewhere that the E-PL1 has a lighter AA filter than E-P1/2, anyone can confirm this?
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nightpiper
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What do you intend to shoot that requires a shutter speed higher than that? I believe 1/2000 is more than enough for freezing Formula 1 car.
If u shoot silhouette shot with the sun direct into the cam, u'll appreciate the higher shutter speed :lovegrin:
talkingtrash
New Member
IMHO, it's not a good analogy to compare EP1/2 with the pro series cameras (1Ds, D3 etc). This is because we should remember the value proposition of m4/3. Small, compact and light without the bulkiness of DSLR as it does away with the mirror box. Pros who use the 1Ds/D3 are prepared to lug alot of lighting equipment around or at least a few flashguns for their shoots. This is where the differences lie. Most people, myself included, who buy into the m4/3 value proposition do not want to bring an extra external flash around. Granted there are photogs (like yourself) who don't use the flash and use it to shoot RF/Photojournalist style. To each their own as different strokes for different folks.
However, one shouldn't try to "defend/justify" Olympus' decisions not to include flash in EPx series blindly by just saying "since I don't use it, it's no point including it!". Sales figures don't lie and apparently, there's a broader mass of consumers (might not be hobbyist or very serious photogs) who think having a built in flash is important to them (however small, "weak" or useless it might be to some of us).
And the inclusion of built in flash in latest E-PL1 at least shows that Olympus thinks this product feature is important to their target segment (current pns users who want better IQ pics without the complications of DSLR functions).
Above are my 2cts opinion and are in no way meant to start any flame wars.
I agree with u. Your point is very valid. One of the main reasons why we are attracted to m4/3 is the compact size. It is very unlikely for us to carry an external flash. Even the EVF can be a hassle sometimes. Carrying an external flash defeats the purpose of having a small and compact camera.
After going through this forum, I realize there a lot of people trying to defend olympus for whatever its shortcomings. In my opinion, GF-1 give us the most complete set - a faster AF even though it may not be very accurate, a pop-up flash, a proper scroll dial, dedicated video button. However, GF-1 left out in-body image stabilization which I think is a very important feature. Also GF-1 JPEG images are dull looking. However, slight tweaking of the saturation and vibrancy within the camera may help. Till now, I think Panasonic provides us with better m4/3 lenses as compared with Olympus. Well more lenses may be coming in the near future from both companies.
The latest E-PL1 looks very impressive, a faster AF and built-in flash in a smaller body. However, using the D-pad to control shutter speed and aperture may be inconvenient.
Juz my opinion.
shengliang1981
New Member
I don't see much of an issue either, just use ISO 100 and stop down the aperture or use an ND filter should work too.
True. I have some shots like that. 1/400 are bright shots, 1/2500 and 1/3999 (not 1/4000?) are silhouette.
I think the people buying the E-PL1 won't be worried about such shots, though. They'll already notice the inconvenient way to adjust aperture and shutter speed.
wah lao,nightpiper,GOOD JOB!!SALUTE!!!
Why not?Old days film camera only has 1/1000,can always fall back on using ND filters
True,but as with anything,there are good and bad things,Panasonic lenses are not really much better,rather there are more lenses than Olympus,but depends on your shooting style and your requirements,lens can come out fast,but are they any good?that is the main question,if one doesn't care about quality,forget what I just said
Using the D-pad to control the shutter speed and aperture may be inconvenient,but I believe LX-2 and LX-3 are the same,besides,this is not aimed to be used as a professional m4/3 so it doesn't really matter that much
Whether or not people defend Olympus is their own choice,what is more important is that, you (not at you,but rather at ourselves) are happy with what you have and work best with it
There should be a similar classification system for the mFT lenses,with currently the 17mm and 14-42 being SD lens I believe,of course,if there were to be a classification which is possible
Juz read the preview hands on at dpreview. Pretty darn good i must say. Oly has packed so much into such a small package. Amazing!! :thumbsup::heart: Think i can get the red one for me missus
A small inconvenience though. They do away with the AEL button. With the inclusion of 1% spot meter, i wud expect the AEL button to be there for more control over exposure. Hopefully via firmware, owners can reassign a button to become AEL.
According to the manual, you can assign it to either the Fn or Rec buttons.
Apparently, you can only get it in Europe, where it's actually more expensive... ;(
nightpiper
Senior Member
When u try it, u'll actually wish ur cam has ISO 6 (like the Kodak DSLR) to do those silhouette in 1/2000 :sweat: There's only this small u can close down the aperture before "u know what" comes rearing its pimple head, so not exactly a good solution. :bsmilie:
Also with 1/2000 u can't stop a speeding bullet. That is of cos the job of Superman :bsmilie:
I'm sure the omission is intended. P&S upgraders should not be bothered which things like AEL.
Then why shud P&S upgraders be bothered with center weighted & spot metering? ESP metering shud be enuf for them. To me, AEL & other metering modes come hand in hand, can't do one w/o the other. Its actually quite an important feature :heart:
Really ah? U can assign the AEL to one of the buttons? I haven't read the manual yet. Man u r fast!! HAHAHAHA!!mojims said:
Most people who have used the Pana 20mm f1.7 agree it is better than the Oly 17/f2.8. Oly does not have a 7-14 in mFT but most also agree that this is comparable to any of the top lenses available. AFAIK, no mFT Oly lens seems to have enjoyed such consensus.
I have gotten very good A2 size prints from shots taken from my 14-45 and 45-200 pana lenses on a GF1. I have no experience with mFT Oly lenses so I cannot comment. All I can say is that for the price, the Panas are outstanding. And the EPL1 might also be a good 2nd body for these as well as my other legacy MF lenses.
every product has its good and bad points. its up to us to decide which one to get. i was excited about the E-P1, was impressed about the GH1 video capabilities, I liked the E-P2 and GF1 seems to have everything you need in a mFT (aside from IBIS)...
yet i have not bought one mFT til now as I dont have the urgent need for them especially considering the price. our choice doesnt have to be the top-spec, pound for pound king of cameras... its what we actually need and afford
now that E-PL1 is very much affordable, I think it will be my first mFT. though I'm still waiting for the E-5 and E-5x0/6X0 announcement, might not have enough budget for both hehehe. 43rumors is hinting at a March release
Mad Armour
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Agree with you on that. Question is how they are going to label the 2 kit lenses? 14-42(M) and 14-42(P)?
My hunch is when the price of the E-P2 drops and E-P1's production run has ended, only 14-42(P) will be included.