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Originally posted by Ansel
Wah lao...US$5000 leh... :eek: :eek:

Vs US$8000 for 1Ds? Which is higher in price? Don't forget that for people like Ian, the value of the lenses itself exceeds US$5k...
 

Originally posted by Watcher
If you count, that is only 2 new lenses for specifically digital cams for that range, that you cannot use on any other body. So the only 2 extra lenses for digital backs if you need the range. If you don't need the resolution, isn't this better than even 1Ds in terms of $$$?

I do have quite a bit of money tied up in Nikkor glass, but not as much as Ian (visible on his avatar) that's is why I am upset about the 1.5 factor. My widest lens the 20mm/2.8 will become a 30mm equivalent lens, not a seriously wide lens by any measure.

OK by watcher's logic, if I factor in the cost of the DX Zoom-Nikkor 12-24mm as part of the entrance cost to DSLR photography, then I am all set as far as wide focal lengths are concerned, and I will even get some bonus super telephotos too from my existing teles. Ummm....new perspective. :what:
 

Originally posted by Ansel
I do have quite a bit of money tied up in Nikkor glass, but not as much as Ian (visible on his avatar) that's is why I am upset about the 1.5 factor. My widest lens the 20mm/2.8 will become a 30mm equivalent lens, not a seriously wide lens by any measure.

OK by watcher's logic, if I factor in the cost of the DX Zoom-Nikkor 12-24mm as part of the entrance cost to DSLR photography, then I am all set as far as wide focal lengths are concerned, and I will even get some bonus super telephotos too from my existing teles. Ummm....new perspective. :what:
I know, a lot of people are upset about the wide angle thing... The trade off is like what you said, you gain the "extension" of the telephoto lenses, 200->300, etc ;)
 

Originally posted by Ansel
I do have quite a bit of money tied up in Nikkor glass, but not as much as Ian (visible on his avatar) that's is why I am upset about the 1.5 factor. My widest lens the 20mm/2.8 will become a 30mm equivalent lens, not a seriously wide lens by any measure.

OK by watcher's logic, if I factor in the cost of the DX Zoom-Nikkor 12-24mm as part of the entrance cost to DSLR photography, then I am all set as far as wide focal lengths are concerned, and I will even get some bonus super telephotos too from my existing teles. Ummm....new perspective. :what:

It's a problem for sure, but looking at it unemotionally (and neglecting the massive $$$ I have tied up in lenses) .. it's far cheaper to buy the 12-24 DX lens at 2.4K than to have to shell out for a new 300/2.8 AFS. With the FLM at 1.5 that's what an AFS 80-200 becomes the focal length equivalent of with the smaller Nikon sensor.

There are other benefits too .. I wonder who knows what they are :)
 

Originally posted by Ian

There are other benefits too .. I wonder who knows what they are :)

I guess the only other major benefit will be instant gratification .:)
 

Originally posted by Ansel
I guess the only other major benefit will be instant gratification .:)

wrong ;)
 

Of course,

The other benefit is smaller lighter gear....

Canon tried to the go the way of DO lenses to make gear lighter and smaller.

Nikon decided to go another direction. They have a smaller lens mount and hey...make the sensor smaller...just like canon made their lens mount bigger.....its just a different philosophy. Making the sensor smaller is almost like making the lens mount bigger!
 

Hmmmmm the new Nikkors does seem lighter and more compact.
 

prove ne wrong that new lens from Nikon made no better than the old Nikkor lens in general.

Originally posted by kongg
Hmmmmm the new Nikkors does seem lighter and more compact.
 

Ok here are my predicitons for the new Nikon DSLRs - D2H, faster focussing, faster FPS, bigger buffer, 1.5x CCD, based on F5/100 body. D2X, faster focussing, higher MP, full-frame CCD, based on F5/F100 body & maybe a D200 or D100x with faster focussing, higher MP but still 1.5x CCD. Best of all, all priced under S$9000 :D
 

Originally posted by cyrilng
Ok here are my predicitons for the new Nikon DSLRs - D2H, faster focussing, faster FPS, bigger buffer, 1.5x CCD, based on F5/100 body. D2X, faster focussing, higher MP, full-frame CCD, based on F5/F100 body & maybe a D200 or D100x with faster focussing, higher MP but still 1.5x CCD. Best of all, all priced under S$9000 :D

the part of Nikon not considering a full-frame CCD is not by me.

I remembered I read that part in a magazine while flipping through some in "Popular" bookstore in Plaza singapura, never remembered the title but it was an interview btw the magazine and a Nikon spokesman.

So I guess even if Nikon does bite it's words and change it's mind, you are not getting a full frame DSLR from Nikon in the near future.

It's the thought that you are not getting what you bought for that bugging me. For example the 24-120mm marking on the AF-S VR 'G' lens will not register as 24-120mm in your head but 36-180mm instead.

So when you shoot at 24mm in a D100 and your friend, a Manual FM-2 user asked what len you use?
you cannot jolly well tell him you use a 24-120 and shot at 24mm.
Cause if he used a 24-120mm (ok I know 'G' lens don't go on FM-2 but this is just an example) and shot at 24mm

He will get a different result.

So you have to tell him you shot it at 24mm * 1.5 = 36mm
And he will say 36mm? That's a weird focal length. And he will need to set 35mm on his FM-2 to get the roughly the same picture as your 24mm on a D100.
 

Sigh, you seem to make things very complicated.

You ARE getting what you paid for, both the lens and the body. The same lens on different body is still the same right? It is the body that does the 1.5x crop factor. I normally shoot by image, not by the numbers like "24mm" or "54mm".

The reason why people tell others what lens was used because to confirm on the quality of the lens. So the 1.5x thing does not really matter. All these are just habits. To tell the person, just add "from a DSLR with 1.5x crop factor" is enough add-on to provide all the explanation + description needed.
 

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