My first photo with shutter count 108, from 3:16

[edutilos-]

simple to say, but how can u guarantee that a buyer wanted to buy certain model after using a demo, when the shop bring out a new set, he shot a few photos and realised something he didn't like and decided not to buy?

so the camera how? throw away? or shop don allow them to touch until payment is made? :dunno:

Why not?

How else would shops protect themselves from a whole load of "used cameras" that are not "out of box"?

A strict policy which is properly enforced will ensure that people have confidence in the shop. If the shop is reliable in the first place, why should the customer feel any fear?

 

[boonph]

When I buy something BNIB costing hundreds/thousands of $$$ & pay the price for it, I expect that it is BNIB, "unmolested", unused for testing, demo & whatever other crap reasons, period. If a shop's practice, for the sake of sales, is to allow people to try/test things out, or to use them for demo, there should be separate sets like demo/display sets which are subsequently sold at a discounted price & stated as such. The shop should bear this costs & not the buyer, especially if the shop is known to sell at higher or premium prices.

Imagine if demo or display sets are sold off to you as BNIB, wont you be upset? So we should not make excuses for it as it only encourage & embolden them to misrepresent to or mislead their customers, to dishonestly palm off used items, regardless of the extent of usage, as new, relying on buyer's lack of knowledgable about such matters like checking shutter counts. Now I know which shop to avoid. I believe no one would suggest that hey there's really no such thing as mint, unused cameras/lens since these would have already been "used" by the production operators, "pre-owned" by the shops(owners) already & as such all this do not matter

Of course TS could be mistaken about the shutter count/actuations vs file number sequence & should clarify it here since he validly raised this issue.

108 is the shutter count. Not the file number or sequence.

Hee, i told my friend this. Before i told them i bought new, they say 'HAAA' you bought a used set from forum with so little shutter count? Good buy leh.

Fainted.

 

[edutilos-]

I trust J316 because they are reputable. Now the camera already more than one month old only i check on the first photo i took. After i read a post regarding chutter count. Thats why i felt cheated. The shutter count now is about 1200.

That said, there are 2 separate issues here:

1) Whether you were lied to

2) Whether you should care about the shutter count

For #1, best to clarify with John 3:16; for #2, frankly speaking for all practical purposes it doesn't matter. My suggestion is that you can check with John 3:16, but given that you have already gone past a month on the camera and have racked up 11 times the supposedly "used" shutter amount... You should just leave it. In any case, no harm in highlighting this for others who might really be concerned about shutter count... But really, you shouldn't dwell on it.

If you don't mind me saying, I'm not sure what you might hope to achieve if you go back now. Let's use an analogy here, you married a girl who told you she was a virgin. After marriage and consummating it (on more than 11 occasions) for a month, she tells you she is not. You mean, you're going to divorce because of that?

 

[n e o]

I feel TS should sorted this out with J 3:16 before posting. Unless J 3:16 cannot furnish TS with a good explanation for the actuations and failing which, refuses to change a new set....then post.

If I did not get what I expected, no matter on what issue, I would get upset.
I might not care or bother to check as you did, but that is your right.

Just go back, be pleasant and tell them your issue.
If they don't fix it, come back and let us know.

I think J 3:16 is known to be a little more ex but I buy from them because of my perception of their aftersales service. :dunno:

 

[wandollar]

If you don't mind me saying, I'm not sure what you might hope to achieve if you go back now. Let's use an analogy here, you married a girl who told you she was a virgin. After marriage and consummating it (on more than 11 occasions) for a month, she tells you she is not. You mean, you're going to divorce because of that?

Yes I would. She lied.

 

[boonph]

When I bought my D700, I tested around 50 over shots before purchasing it.

frankly, just my test shots alone while purchasing lens or just testing my CF card before an assignment could be around 500 shots in all.

100+ actuations is nothing.

Thanks for your input. Will live with it. Just to let people know don't fully trust the words form sales.

 

[n e o]

Thanks for your input. Will live with it. Just to let people know don't fully trust the words form sales.

Go back and try lah.
No point posting here if you don't.

 

[n e o]

You've already put it up for sale so you might as well do so right?

 

[yeekhai]

simple to say, but how can u guarantee that a buyer wanted to buy certain model after using a demo, when the shop bring out a new set, he shot a few photos and realised something he didn't like and decided not to buy?

so the camera how? throw away? or shop don allow them to touch until payment is made? :dunno:

when i went to Best Denki recently to check for Canon S95, there is one set left and the sales person told me that is demo set for people to try. i dont know what are they going to do with the demo set at the end of the day but there is a demo set for people to try.

if you do not have demo set, and you let people to try you "New" set, dont you think the buyer should know?

i will sell you my gear as "New" at 5% less than the shop offer after i try for 1 year

 

[TheChef]

I will avoid this shop after reading what is posted here and in the past.

 

[daniel-sg]

Not sure whether you mentioned it here, when he said it was new, did he specifically say: the shutter count is zero or less than say.. 20?
Is a camera thats been tested by let say 2 people (50 shots ea) at a shop considered not new anymore?

New can mean either brand spanking new, or new can mean no one else has owned it (besides the shop).

 

[boonph]

I did mentioned new set. I don't expect to sell it alr as I put up this thread. A buyer with 770 dollars offer back off last minute also stop me cont selling it. It was last week. And that time I still haven't reliase this sc issue. I think better to give them a call.

 

[kklee]

Not sure whether you mentioned it here, when he said it was new, did he specifically say: the shutter count is zero or less than say.. 20?
Is a camera thats been tested by let say 2 people (50 shots ea) at a shop considered not new anymore?

New can mean either brand spanking new, or new can mean no one else has owned it (besides the shop).

And my definition of new is actually old.

 

[n e o]

I did mentioned new set. I don't expect to sell it alr as I put up this thread. A buyer with 770 dollars offer back off last minute also stop me cont selling it. It was last week. And that time I still haven't reliase this sc issue. I think better to give them a call.

:thumbsup: Let us all know the answer.

 

[boonph]

:thumbsup: Let us all know the answer.

Neo, u most excited to know. Besides the camera, would like to hear their says regarding their 'store'. Might call them by tomorrow or 18. Let you know.

 

[ExplorerZ]

when i went to Best Denki recently to check for Canon S95, there is one set left and the sales person told me that is demo set for people to try. i dont know what are they going to do with the demo set at the end of the day but there is a demo set for people to try.

if you do not have demo set, and you let people to try you "New" set, dont you think the buyer should know?

i will sell you my gear as "New" at 5% less than the shop offer after i try for 1 year

yes, many(not all tho) shops do sell demo set at a discounted rate, but the problem is like what i mention, how do u GUARANTEE that buyer will not backout last minute while testing the new set after he said he wanted to buy the cam (of cos after trying the demo set). It a SOP for most shops to let their customer try the new set to make sure everything is working before payment is made.


of cos u can say they can make it a point to make the customer pay before taking out the new set, and what if its a "black" shop where they didn't mention the price u paid include a charger? a battery? or wateva?:dunno:

 

[Hacker]

Every time I buy a camera, I check the packaging and make sure it had not been handled by others as a test set. Most of the count would not be 0 for sure. Never seen any with 0 actuations.

 

[CTN]

My experiences so far,
D7000 from iphoto : 0 shutter
D50 from non-recomended shop in Funan : shutter count 2
E500 from Cathay Peninsula : 0 shutter
E510 1 week old 2nd hand from Clubsnap BNS: shutter count 300+

 

[Turboredbean]

You do realize that no new cameras come out of the factory with zero shutter-actuations right?
It's common knowledge that they are all tested to a certain degree before being shipped out.

Furthermore, there are other factors like whether the CF card you used was used on other cameras before.
And the fact that sometimes when you take a card that was previously used in another camera, and put it into a new camera, the camera is going to pick up the existing numbering sequence on the card.
The only sure way to prevent this is to format the card in the computer before inserting it into the new camera and formatting it there.

Either way, you said that when you bought it everything looks 'newly intact', so it just might be.
Furthermore, modern dslrs have a shutter lifespan of up to 150,000 for certain models, don't fuss over a mere 108.

If everything is working well, take all that has been said into consideration, and just go out and enjoy your camera.

I agree on this one.:thumbsup: its like driving a new car from the factory to the show room. a few km will be ok, but to see 5000km on a new car... then thats a fight or a different argument.

 

[Big Kahuna]

I have a friend went to buy a Levi's jean, decided on the cutting and color, took a couple of sizes from the shelve and went in fitting room, confirmed the fitting, he went back to the shelve and happily pull another one which nicely folded(assume it's new)....when he reach home, open up and look, to his horror....there is 501 marking at the thight area which is not what he saw....he just wanted a plain authentic blue 501 jeans that's it...so must go back and change again :sweatsm: