My first photo with shutter count 108, from 3:16

[mogwai]

Mine D3100. They give me a demo set to test. Then after that go downstair come up with a 'new' set to me. I thought its really a new set bcos everything newly intact in the box. I not happy is bcos ppl not honest.

agree with the posters that shutter count of 108 is nothing. a lot of lenses that we buy off the shelf would've been 'tried' before as well. or at least taken out of the box/ plastic wrapping to be 'admired' for lust or 'scrutinised' for dust.

but i'd just like to point out that perhaps j316 was 'lied' to as well. i know that whatever stock they have is within their own premise. if they have to 'go downstairs', it's to take from another shop.

 

[ExplorerZ]

to me, new means new. let the customer use the demo set, that should be the way.

simple to say, but how can u guarantee that a buyer wanted to buy certain model after using a demo, when the shop bring out a new set, he shot a few photos and realised something he didn't like and decided not to buy?

so the camera how? throw away? or shop don allow them to touch until payment is made? :dunno:

 

[s1221ljc]

When I buy something BNIB costing hundreds/thousands of $$$ & pay the price for it, I expect that it is BNIB, "unmolested", unused for testing, demo & whatever other crap reasons, period. If a shop's practice, for the sake of sales, is to allow people to try/test things out, or to use them for demo, there should be separate sets like demo/display sets which are subsequently sold at a discounted price & stated as such. The shop should bear this costs & not the buyer, especially if the shop is known to sell at higher or premium prices.

Imagine if demo or display sets are sold off to you as BNIB, wont you be upset? So we should not make excuses for it as it only encourage & embolden them to misrepresent to or mislead their customers, to dishonestly palm off used items, regardless of the extent of usage, as new, relying on buyer's lack of knowledgable about such matters like checking shutter counts. Now I know which shop to avoid. I believe no one would suggest that hey there's really no such thing as mint, unused cameras/lens since these would have already been "used" by the production operators, "pre-owned" by the shops(owners) already & as such all this do not matter

Of course TS could be mistaken about the shutter count/actuations vs file number sequence & should clarify it here since he validly raised this issue.

 

[baggiolee]

what is 108 shutter count compare to 100,000 or more shutter count that the shutter have? When I test a camera at the shop I easily shoot 100 count using the burst mode to hear the shutter. And usually I do it for 2 to 3 cameras before I decide which to buy. All the 1D that I buy I did that.

wah so scarly. :bsmilie:

 

[s1221ljc]

what is 108 shutter count compare to 100,000 or more shutter count that the shutter have? When I test a camera at the shop I easily shoot 100 count using the burst mode to hear the shutter. And usually I do it for 2 to 3 cameras before I decide which to buy. All the 1D that I buy I did that.

...So at the end of the day why bother with such issue?

wah so scarly. :bsmilie:

Wah, must let us know which shops allows that...... and we know which shops to bypass. Must be a pro or some big shot :bsmilie:

 

[CPhotography]

the folks at john are nice and friendly people usually. but guess you have the rights to be unhappy if they were dishonest. well I guess like most said, you can just close one eye and forget about the 100+ shutter that has been clicked. really, it's nothing compared to the many more that you'll be shooting. however if you're really unhappy you can always bring it back to john and see what they can do.

It doesn't happen at SLR Revo. Client is not allowed to test the new set until they buy it. That's why the Language Selection screen is a good gauge whether the new set has been tested and used before.

at SLRR client is only allowed to test after they've purchased it? have been to SLRR on many occasions but have no idea what's the practice there.

last time I was there to purchase a body, I told them which model I wanted, along with lenses and everything. they took everything down and opened up to let me try/test on the spot.

when I got home I was quite worried if my set had been used/tried out or shutter had been clicked before by other customers. wanted to send down to csc to check the shutter count, but now csc don't provide free checking of csc even when covered under warranty so I felt there wasn't really a point to check.

like the folks at SLRR and trust them, just that I'm worried because it's a new camera haha. I'm a regular at the shop btw.

any inputs? :think:

 

[CPhotography]

what is 108 shutter count compare to 100,000 or more shutter count that the shutter have? When I test a camera at the shop I easily shoot 100 count using the burst mode to hear the shutter. And usually I do it for 2 to 3 cameras before I decide which to buy. All the 1D that I buy I did that.

woah this is really quite :bigeyes:.

I've heard some shops not allowing customers to test the camers they have, especially if it's the higher end models like D3 and 1D series, till you've confirmed your purchase.

 

[tangoinquestion]

CPhotography: you suggest to ts that maybe can just close one eye like most ppl suggest, yet you yourself worry about your new set hehehe... contradiction??

 

[ovaltinemilo]

108 shutter count...
tat's almost like....0.1% of the lifespan...
I think anything less than 100 is acceptable...hover around 100 also ok...

 

[tangoinquestion]

for me its a matter of personal preference... we all have different tolerance for such things... some more oc than others, but its their hard earned penny, whatever makes them happy right

 

[CPhotography]

CPhotography: you suggest to ts that maybe can just close one eye like most ppl suggest, yet you yourself worry about your new set hehehe... contradiction??

haha no lah what I meant was I was also quite worried initially, but after a while I felt there was no point worrying about this. getting to use the new purchase and shooting is more important.

 

[sharkspin]

I feel TS should sorted this out with J 3:16 before posting. Unless J 3:16 cannot furnish TS with a good explanation for the actuations and failing which, refuses to change a new set....then post.

 

[geraldkhoo]

I've seen Samuel go into Alan Photo to get some stocks and back up. They have arrangements with others shops in the building, so if they are out of stock in their own shop, the go and get it from another shop. In fact, when I brought a fren to buy a PnS camera, he had to go out to get the camera.

So... you can say that Samuel does not know if the shop he got from has let others test it, or you can say that the Samuel knows and told a lie. Whatever the situation, it is best to go back and clarify...

 

[damienism]

i guess i can understand where TS is coming from.

actually, when i bought my first dslr recently, i was really concerned about many things. E.g. shutter count, and hot pixel (known problem for my model). but i just let it go without checking the shuttercount, picture number etc because my priority was to get a body with as little hot pixel as possible. that's my compromise. think i did about 20+ shots before payment of the same set i bought. moreover, i was pretty happy with the shop which i brought from.

so TS, you can either exercise your rights to talk to the shop, or compromise. don't let it dampen your mood for the hobby

OT a bit on rights and compromise: I'm super cheesed with my Interior Designers who went MIA, leaving issues for my hard earned HDB apartment unresolved and not fulfilling the contract signed for over 1 year. But I still enjoy my unit. Someday I'll settle my scores with that company later with my rights but I'll compromise (for now) haha

 

[boonph]

hopefully not. hee.

 

[boonph]

simple to say, but how can u guarantee that a buyer wanted to buy certain model after using a demo, when the shop bring out a new set, he shot a few photos and realised something he didn't like and decided not to buy?

so the camera how? throw away? or shop don allow them to touch until payment is made? :dunno:

My opinion is if someone confirm want to buy, then they should give a new set. Then the demo set keep as a demo. Not the tried set sell as new.

 

[boonph]

the folks at john are nice and friendly people usually. but guess you have the rights to be unhappy if they were dishonest. well I guess like most said, you can just close one eye and forget about the 100+ shutter that has been clicked. really, it's nothing compared to the many more that you'll be shooting. however if you're really unhappy you can always bring it back to john and see what they can do.



at SLRR client is only allowed to test after they've purchased it? have been to SLRR on many occasions but have no idea what's the practice there.

last time I was there to purchase a body, I told them which model I wanted, along with lenses and everything. they took everything down and opened up to let me try/test on the spot.

when I got home I was quite worried if my set had been used/tried out or shutter had been clicked before by other customers. wanted to send down to csc to check the shutter count, but now csc don't provide free checking of csc even when covered under warranty so I felt there wasn't really a point to check.

like the folks at SLRR and trust them, just that I'm worried because it's a new camera haha. I'm a regular at the shop btw.

any inputs? :think:

I trust J316 because they are reputable. Now the camera already more than one month old only i check on the first photo i took. After i read a post regarding chutter count. Thats why i felt cheated. The shutter count now is about 1200.

 

[boonph]

I feel TS should sorted this out with J 3:16 before posting. Unless J 3:16 cannot furnish TS with a good explanation for the actuations and failing which, refuses to change a new set....then post.

I haven't call them. Not sure if i still can call them because my set already more one month old.

 

[boonph]

agree with the posters that shutter count of 108 is nothing. a lot of lenses that we buy off the shelf would've been 'tried' before as well. or at least taken out of the box/ plastic wrapping to be 'admired' for lust or 'scrutinised' for dust.

but i'd just like to point out that perhaps j316 was 'lied' to as well. i know that whatever stock they have is within their own premise. if they have to 'go downstairs', it's to take from another shop.

They told me they need to go to their store to retrieve the stock.

 

[Ferderico]

When I bought my D700, I tested around 50 over shots before purchasing it.

frankly, just my test shots alone while purchasing lens or just testing my CF card before an assignment could be around 500 shots in all.

100+ actuations is nothing.