My first photo with shutter count 108, from 3:16
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kentwong81
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When you switch on the camera first time, if the camera is new set, you will first see the Language Selection screen, otherwise it is a used set.
virtualme78
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I was told by a friend that John 316 no doubt friendly and helpful but they always let their customers test the cameras.... even if they only express interest so this is not something new
kentwong81
Senior Member
It doesn't happen at SLR Revo. Client is not allowed to test the new set until they buy it. That's why the Language Selection screen is a good gauge whether the new set has been tested and used before.
Go back and demand a change. If they refuse, post it here for all to see and know.
You have the rights to ask for a change.
Go to the shop...there will be a lot of cstomers around. Talk loudly and firmly and let everyone hear it, I guarantee you that they will change without question.
You have the rights to ask for a change.
Go to the shop...there will be a lot of cstomers around. Talk loudly and firmly and let everyone hear it, I guarantee you that they will change without question.
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saveDqueen
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Well each to his own, but ultimately dishonestly still stands out as a big no-no for such a reputable shop with hard-core fans around.
Would really sarpork your decision to demand for a reasonable and truthful explanation by the shop owner/salesperson, be calm but speak firm and loud only if they are disregarding your opinions and views on this matter =).
Good luck
By the way..should this be be moved to the Consumers Corner instead for awareness?
Would really sarpork your decision to demand for a reasonable and truthful explanation by the shop owner/salesperson, be calm but speak firm and loud only if they are disregarding your opinions and views on this matter =).
Good luck
By the way..should this be be moved to the Consumers Corner instead for awareness?
Thedraperyfalls
New Member
You do realize that no new cameras come out of the factory with zero shutter-actuations right?
It's common knowledge that they are all tested to a certain degree before being shipped out.
Furthermore, there are other factors like whether the CF card you used was used on other cameras before.
And the fact that sometimes when you take a card that was previously used in another camera, and put it into a new camera, the camera is going to pick up the existing numbering sequence on the card.
The only sure way to prevent this is to format the card in the computer before inserting it into the new camera and formatting it there.
Either way, you said that when you bought it everything looks 'newly intact', so it just might be.
Furthermore, modern dslrs have a shutter lifespan of up to 150,000 for certain models, don't fuss over a mere 108.
If everything is working well, take all that has been said into consideration, and just go out and enjoy your camera.
It's common knowledge that they are all tested to a certain degree before being shipped out.
Furthermore, there are other factors like whether the CF card you used was used on other cameras before.
And the fact that sometimes when you take a card that was previously used in another camera, and put it into a new camera, the camera is going to pick up the existing numbering sequence on the card.
The only sure way to prevent this is to format the card in the computer before inserting it into the new camera and formatting it there.
Either way, you said that when you bought it everything looks 'newly intact', so it just might be.
Furthermore, modern dslrs have a shutter lifespan of up to 150,000 for certain models, don't fuss over a mere 108.
If everything is working well, take all that has been said into consideration, and just go out and enjoy your camera.
This is nothing new.
There have been reports of other cases of dishonesty from J316, esp with the pricing of some filters.
Also, J316 always lets their customers molest all the new equipment with no obligation to buy. But those same equipment will be sold to people who buy.
My advice is, 100 shutter actuations is nothing. Just live with it. But if you cannot bear this kind of thought, and is particular about have a new 'new' camera, avoid buying from a shop like J316 in the future.
And btw, I hope you realize, estimated shutter life is just a gauge. not a definite.
Actually, they do. Sure they do some tests. But the shutter count is reset to zero before it leaves the factory. All the new cameras I got, when I took the first test shot in the store, and when I go home and open that image up, The shutter count shown is always "1".
And shutter count (actuations) is not affected by the CF/SD card. It is an internal number that is stored irregardless of the number in the image filename. So you can switch cards, format cards etc and the shutter count will still remain the same.
But I totally agree with the last sentence you said. "If everything is working well, take all that has been said into consideration, and just go out and enjoy your camera."
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J3:16 sometimes get the camera from other shops if they ran out of stock of that model.
so it will be quite unfair to say J3:16 is not honest as they themselves also won't know the other shops let customer test the camera or not.
anyway, 108 is not a big deal. it is still a new camera. unless the number is 1k or 10k then i will go back and demand a change.
the most important is the set is working fine. just bring out the camera and enjoy the shootings.
so it will be quite unfair to say J3:16 is not honest as they themselves also won't know the other shops let customer test the camera or not.
anyway, 108 is not a big deal. it is still a new camera. unless the number is 1k or 10k then i will go back and demand a change.
the most important is the set is working fine. just bring out the camera and enjoy the shootings.
what is 108 shutter count compare to 100,000 or more shutter count that the shutter have? When I test a camera at the shop I easily shoot 100 count using the burst mode to hear the shutter. And usually I do it for 2 to 3 cameras before I decide which to buy. All the 1D that I buy I did that.
If you feel insecure, the service center can help you reset to Zero to help you feel better. A new camera may appear new but actually at the factory, the shutter has already been tested for 1000 count?
So at the end of the day why bother with such issue?
If you feel insecure, the service center can help you reset to Zero to help you feel better. A new camera may appear new but actually at the factory, the shutter has already been tested for 1000 count?
So at the end of the day why bother with such issue?
Cheesecake
Senior Member
i think the TS is upset at J3:16 for not being entirely honest with him.
TS expects a really brand-new set that has zero shutter activation and the fact that he bought it brand new from J3:16 made it all the worse becos the said shop enjoys some sort of a 'honest' reputation in Clubsnap.
i guess it isn't about the $$ involved nor the fact that the shutter lifespan is much much bigger/longer.
thus, TS's anguish is understandable.
perhaps TS should go back to J3:16 and demand for a change.
but if the TS is able to look beyond the 108 shutter activation, things might not be that bad.
TS expects a really brand-new set that has zero shutter activation and the fact that he bought it brand new from J3:16 made it all the worse becos the said shop enjoys some sort of a 'honest' reputation in Clubsnap.
i guess it isn't about the $$ involved nor the fact that the shutter lifespan is much much bigger/longer.
thus, TS's anguish is understandable.
perhaps TS should go back to J3:16 and demand for a change.
but if the TS is able to look beyond the 108 shutter activation, things might not be that bad.
J3:16 sometimes get the camera from other shops if they ran out of stock of that model.
so it will be quite unfair to say J3:16 is not honest as they themselves also won't know the other shops let customer test the camera or not.
anyway, 108 is not a big deal. it is still a new camera. unless the number is 1k or 10k then i will go back and demand a change.
the most important is the set is working fine. just bring out the camera and enjoy the shootings.
Hey bro, Long time no see.
Actually, I have people telling me J316 take most of their stock from couple of other shops in Funan and sell on consignment sometimes. That is why their pricing is always slightly higher.
Lets not mention names here. But got both good and bad shops.
raydio
Senior Member
I agree that the internal shutter count is not be affected by a CF/SD card but the file number definitely is and that is what the TS is using (he is reading it from the EXIF file). It is entirely possible that the shutter was indeed 0 and if a "used" non-formatted CD/SD card was inserted, the file number count would have reflected the next number from the CF/SD card. In other words, if the used non-formatted CF/SD card had 100 photos on it, then the file number reflected on the camera would be 101 upon taking the first photo. The internal shutter count would be "1".
I also bought a 7D from J3:16 and I knew that the file/shutter had been actuated several times. I contributed to it as well as other potential customers. I bought it anyway.... it was still a new camera in excellent condition with full warranty. That was 18 months ago and the camera has not had a single issue.
I totally agree with the last sentence you said. "If everything is working well, take all that has been said into consideration, and just go out and enjoy your camera".
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Hmmm.. TS did say he read it from the EXIF.. or from file number? (EXIF File??? There is no EXIF File. There is the File, or EXIF info). Only TS will know which is which.
Anyway, shutter count will not change irregardless of card swaps or format, and yes image number in the filename will be affected. And one more thing, Liveview activation will also add to shutter count.
And not saying that the camera will have any issue if there are more actuations when "new". But if TS is the type of person who cannot bear with not getting a brand new camera (and he requested for one, so I guess it matters to him), it is best to avoid J316. Especially how they like to let their customers play with new equipment.
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