Memory Stick: Where to buy at the low price?
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Pro Image said:
what do you mean by 1/2 stop to 1 stop more? im also a 717 user
CJen said:
Ok let's get this straight. There is always good and bad in every camera that we buy. So it depends on what you need. But looking at reputable Carl Zeiss Lens size comparable with the Canon V1 lens, I think F717 wins hands downs.
As for the shutter lag, well I would say you are probably right but although you are buying high end consumer camera. There is always some setback here and there.
This is not a Nikon D100, D1x and other professional range. What you pay is what you get. You want very fast shutter, D1x or D2x. The shutter is fast enough to take 5fps but look at the price. $7000++ excluding lens! Or a D100 $2750 body only.
So shutter lag is a very minor problem and besides, how often you need to shoot so fast unless you are a sports photographer. Most consumer cameras, whether cheap or expensive has a slower respond towards the shutter lag is because of all the things the manufacturer can squeeze as much as they can.
At the end of the day, see whether you intend to lug around the F717 which looks like a space gun or the V1 which is looks like an oversize Palmtop. So if you do not mind the extra weight, F717 is the way to go.
Again I stress, it all depends on your feel of the camera and what you need. I am use to Sony so obviously I will support them. Canon supporters will prefer V1 but I did not say it's not an excellent. Do some research thru the net about this 2 cameras and you will know what you want.
Can try this website and look at the comments...........
http://pcworld.pricegrabber.com/search_attrib.php/page_id=48/ut=c0a929484a83aad3
Hi Pro Image, actually I was refering to Sony-V1 and Sony-F717. Coz I've check out the specs.....not much different except for max shutter (1/2000) for V1 and aperture range(from 2.0) for F717. Other than that, not much different....coz since V1 is out for a few months, but its like no one talking abt it. Actually more incline to V1 due to its compactnesss.....was previously using SLR, but felt really a hassle to carry everywhere. Just want something relatively good to take some decent pictures........no way, F828 should way beyond my budget. Held the V1 before, feels quite solid(as in not plastic feel). hmmm...really torn between these 2 babes, what more 828 is coming out(think really out of budget range).
Think CJen was referring to the DSC-V1 from Sony.
The EOS 1V is a professional grade film SLR. :thumbsup:
IMHO, it really depends on yr requirements. There are both pros and cons for both of these models from Sony. I would try to list down a few prominent ones for you to compare...
1) Speed of the lense. Both are Carl Zeiss lenses but there is a significant difference in the speed between them. The 717 with a faster lense which will benefit in the situation of low light shooting. But there is a down side, faster lense are bigger and heavier.
2) Size and weight. The V1 wins this section by a mile... The size of this baby is comparable to a IXUS but pack a lot more punch the your conventional PnS. But according to some experienced photographers, a heavier and bigger camera will give a more stable grip... :dunno:
3) Battery life. The 717 can last one whole afternoon of shooting with occasional previewing on the LCD. This, I find is extremely important... Especially what can be more frustrating then running out of juice to catch that "decisive" moment. As far as I know the V1 has a good battery life for a camera of it's size and weight. ;p
As I have mentioned earlier, it really boils down to what you need in a camera. Whether is it pocketablility, long battery life or fast lense etc...
The EOS 1V is a professional grade film SLR. :thumbsup:
IMHO, it really depends on yr requirements. There are both pros and cons for both of these models from Sony. I would try to list down a few prominent ones for you to compare...
1) Speed of the lense. Both are Carl Zeiss lenses but there is a significant difference in the speed between them. The 717 with a faster lense which will benefit in the situation of low light shooting. But there is a down side, faster lense are bigger and heavier.
2) Size and weight. The V1 wins this section by a mile...
The size of this baby is comparable to a IXUS but pack a lot more punch the your conventional PnS. But according to some experienced photographers, a heavier and bigger camera will give a more stable grip... :dunno: 3) Battery life. The 717 can last one whole afternoon of shooting with occasional previewing on the LCD. This, I find is extremely important... Especially what can be more frustrating then running out of juice to catch that "decisive" moment. As far as I know the V1 has a good battery life for a camera of it's size and weight. ;p
As I have mentioned earlier, it really boils down to what you need in a camera. Whether is it pocketablility, long battery life or fast lense etc...
CJen said:
If size is not a problem, I would recommend go for second hand 717 or upcoming Sony 828. Yes, in term of shutter lag it is better than 717, it focus as fast as when you half press. However, 717 itself already very fast in all digicam(except DSLR). Therefore, there is no need to worry for 717 at all, just a little slower only compare to V1. Previously I thought F2.0 and F2.8 just 0.8 difference so the brightness should be minor difference too. But then since I got the V1 I realise I was wrong, it is actually great difference! For example, I got to use slower shutter speed for indoor shoot. I cannot or should I say very difficult to take bokeh photo because in wide angle the biggest Aperture is F4.0! Maybe you will wondering since I mention 717 until so good, why give up and jump to V1? It is because size and weight is very important to me, the portability of V1 really actract me!
717 Pro:
1) Fast and bright Lens
2) powerful and accurate flash
3) Battery life is one of the best
4) good macro ability
5) Very good picture quality
717 Cons:
1) Size very bulky.
2) Heavy.
3) Slightly slower than V1.
V1 Pro:
1) Very portable due to size very small even compare to G5.
2) lighter compare to 717 and same range prosumer digicam.
3) above average picture quality.
4) Fast focusing and shutter lag.
5) 640 X480 unlimited Movie clip with sound.
V1 Cons:
1) Not top notch picture quality like 717.
2) Hard to take bokeh due to Aperture at wide angle is F4.0
3) Indoor shoot suffer from biggest aperture also, sometimes auto setting is shutter speed 1/30s, Aperture F2.8. For 1/30s, one got to hold very steady man.
4) Battery Life is so short compare to 717.
I am not expert, all above are my own finding only.
Howard
CJen said:
Sorry huh for my blunder!
Ok for the V1, I think the shutter lag is slower compare with the F717. Go try @ Cathay Photo and you will know. I dun think you want to the F828 as it will go for around $1,700 -$1,800. Solid the V1 is but it's your own preference. Sorry about the blunder again! F717 can get 1/2000 on Program mode. 1/1000 on manual. Compact = V1, Quality= F717. Your choice!
Oh battery last longer on F717, about 231mins without LCD 150mins with LCD as it has a bigger battery comparable with the V1.
I was using A70 and i dun like small camera and manual focus in it is juz pain in the ass. 717 has good manual focus via the ring, which i really really love it!
I prefer bigger camera, primarily, because of the grip. Actually,
I don't mind bulky and heavy camera. It's how u use it, actually.
Juz my 2 cents worth.
I prefer bigger camera, primarily, because of the grip. Actually,
I don't mind bulky and heavy camera. It's how u use it, actually.
Juz my 2 cents worth.
arikevin said:
Only Sony has the 512MB & 1GB 2 the moment. Lexar, Hagiwara and other independent brands of Memory Sticks is up to 256MB. 512MB should be selling around $460 the moment. 256MB is selling around $200. So in terms of per mb the 512 is slightly cheaper by 15 cents per mb. All @ Cathay Photo!
So if u have the $$$$$ go for the 512MB or 1GB! If you want to save some money, buy the 256MB first.
Later buy a 40GB Digilite Hardisk Album for direct file transfer without the use of computer which will cost you around $470-$480 including Memory Pro Stick Adapter @ East Gear in Peninsular.
This album is fantastic especially if you go on location and travelling. Imagine 40GB!! You get about 6000++ photos when you should on 5 Megapixels Plus you can change to a higher capacity HD if you want.
You should be able to decide from here buddy!
arikevin said:
Hey ari,
It's me again, Pro Image! Well the add converters r sometimes good when u need additional lengths or wider scope. Sony producers 2 telephoto lens converters for addtional lengths and 2 wide angles.
There are 2 cheapo versions and there are 2 ex versions. The 2 cheapo version is selling @ around $170++ but the other 2 is selling @ $300++ but if you look @ it carefully, the ex version is far far far more superior in terms of quality. The down side is the ex lens is DAMN HUGE and HEAVY! The lens itself is as heavy as the F717 but it's damn sharp!
Don't bother about the cheapo version. Not worth it!
Ok now let's get back to earth! The othe down side is the tele which they have is not very long and the wide angle is neither very wide So it's not worth getting it. But it you are a nature person shooting landscapes you may want to get another independent lens call Raynox.
I am not sure whether it's available in Singapore but it's the wide! 180 degrees! Check this websites!
http://www.raynox.co.jp/english/dcr/dcrfe180pro/dcrfe180proindexeg.htm
http://www.raynox.co.jp/english/digital/egsonyf707.htm
The Raynox lenses are all made in Japan but the price to pay is quite on the heavy side too. If I am not wrong the wide angle is selling about $450++ and above!
Got extra cash? Go for it! Pro Image,
Thanks for your wonderful explanation. Really helps a lot on my questions.
However, I have another question. Sorry =P
How much does a lens hood cost? Is it necessary for F717? I have this problem with water droplets from tiny rains when I have shooting in town area.
Hope to hear from you soon
Thanks for your wonderful explanation. Really helps a lot on my questions.
However, I have another question. Sorry =P
How much does a lens hood cost? Is it necessary for F717? I have this problem with water droplets from tiny rains when I have shooting in town area.
Hope to hear from you soon
Del_CtrlnoAlt
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lens hood i bought about 70+ 80,
i think lens hood is more for shading off those strong light rays when outdoor or indoor. as in some angle, it will cause a whiteout.
just my simple assumption.
finally, the lens hood match the f828.
i think lens hood is more for shading off those strong light rays when outdoor or indoor. as in some angle, it will cause a whiteout.
just my simple assumption.
finally, the lens hood match the f828.
Del_CtrlnoAlt said:
Del_CtrlnoAlt, thanks for your reply
Does anybody here using external flash? If so what brand? Sony one or third party is better? The most important thing is the value for money.
I think I'll need it during my uncle's wedding on February.
Hope to see reply soon
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