I honestly don't believe there is a difference optically between a MIJ and a MIV lens. Its all in the mind, people just have the misconception that MIJ stuffs is definitely better.
It may not be the difference of MIJ or MIV, but the handling of freight operators that send the assembled lenses from Vietnam to Japan. In the process of shipping, there can be a small percentage of goods being damaged during delivery in bulk. I have heard some stories of damaged goods at the bottom layers due to stacking.
I honestly don't believe there is a difference optically between a MIJ and a MIV lens. Its all in the mind, people just have the misconception that MIJ stuffs is definitely better.
no, no difference to me.a) a Japanese, paid USD$50 an hour, has gone thru in college/university in an established education system, certified and trained according to Japanese's QC system and in-house training, only then be able to handle the lens.
or
b) a vietnamese, paid USD$5 an hour, similarly educated in a vietnam college/university, certified and trained according to Japanese's QC system, translated from Japanese and in-house training, only then be able to handle the lens.
I agree with Flowerpot on this. The place of manufacture does matters. It's not just the process, its the whole CULTURE!!! Japanese are very rigourous and demanding where quality is concerned.
maybe they get off imagining that japan factory workers look like this:
Very hard to believe. By this argument, its best not to ship anything at all (Japan > S'pore will also cause more damages). Even eggs will have to use to hands to personally 'hoop' it from the hen, else they will be damage during shipments.
Its possible once in a while due to serious mishandling by the logistics ppl, but overall items are safe. Items are packed in individual boxes, and then onto larger boxes and onto pallets. These are of course reinforced and cushioned by cardboard/styrofoam/bubbble wrap (like your new TV for instance). No company can accept packaging and logistic services that keep damaging goods, it certainly affects the bottom line.
There are in fact drop test, packaging test and mech shock/vibration tests for most of these products
see if they want to publicize the full QC methodology for all their lenses rather then the top lines. See what their QC considered Pass Inspection.When you have friends working in the logistic industry and they tell you stories about such things, you will wonder why some people get bad copy of lenses. Why 1 lense SDM malfunction in 2 weeks, while others last them 2 years without problems. Of course, all these damages are only minority.
no problems..just getting the facts right tat's all..
then i like to pose a question to the floor.
will it make a difference if the assembly worker is:
a) a Japanese, paid USD$50 an hour, has gone thru in college/university in an established education system, certified and trained according to Japanese's QC system and in-house training, only then be able to handle the lens.
or
b) a vietnamese, paid USD$5 an hour, similarly educated in a vietnam college/university, certified and trained according to Japanese's QC system, translated from Japanese and in-house training, only then be able to handle the lens.
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no, no difference to me.
are you saying that having an established education system does anything for work attitudes and ability to assemble lenses?
p.s. i'm off to japan to be a factory worker. if i work 9-6, that's 450usd every day, and 9K usd every month. who wants to be a banker and be stressed when you can be a pentax japan factory worker??
pay more means better quality?
how about this:
a) a japanese who can easily find another job in Japan.
or
b) a vietnamese who really treasure his job as he really needs the money.
seriously, both our scenarios dont make sense at all. These are all assumptions that may or may not be true. And definitely do not affect the quality of the lenses.
cultures change. i think it's fair to say that singapore's current generation has a very different mindset as compared to the people in their 40s, 50s.I beleive it's the culture that makes the difference.
Japan is an industrailized country way before Singapore, not to mention VN.
when i was younger MIC was like a dirty thing to be tagged with, and in some sense it was rightfully so.
today? things are different. so let's have a more open mind. as far as i see it, forcing the issue by making sure all lenses are made in japan simply will lead to unhappiness as well. labour costs will go up, thus these will have to be passed on via lens price.
yes, maybe you might get better QC by having everything MIJ. but every company has to weigh the costs versus the benefits. given current trends, it is clear where most of them (not just pentax) are looking to.
have you ever worked in a company in vietnam to compare the qc? as far as the discussion is going no valid facts/comparisons has been presented that can say that MIJ lenses are better than AIV.Previously worked at a Japanese company, always and always, Japanese people have the direct control over QC. Even send their best people to handle such as they QC is the most critical part of the process.
cultures change. i think it's fair to say that singapore's current generation has a very different mindset as compared to the people in their 40s, 50s.
similarly, the same applies for japan.
i think in this day and age, it has progressed to a point where the differences are much more unnoticeable as before - in particular because more companies are taking the "cheaper labour" route, hence you will see more and more things being made in poorer countries like vietnam, china, thailand, indonesia.
when i was younger MIC was like a dirty thing to be tagged with, and in some sense it was rightfully so.
today? things are different. so let's have a more open mind. as far as i see it, forcing the issue by making sure all lenses are made in japan simply will lead to unhappiness as well. labour costs will go up, thus these will have to be passed on via lens price.
yes, maybe you might get better QC by having everything MIJ. but every company has to weigh the costs versus the benefits. given current trends, it is clear where most of them (not just pentax) are looking to.