night86mare
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Lousy Photographers trying to mimic themselves like PRO... **sigh**
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night86mare
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what if the close friend is just gwc? :bsmilie::bsmilie:
sound like a scam organization :bsmilie:
night86mare
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tokyoexpress....
Know what? When I read your post, I felt like you were my other half as what you wrote mirrors exactly what I would like to say!
My good buddy experienced what you wrote last year. And being an amateur photographer himself, he went thru almost a month's of searching for a good wedding photographer thinking he had found the right one. Wrong man.
He paid a few thousand dollars overall. In the end, the results were not as expected. Out of focus pics, some with important people. (And the photographer got to cheek to say it's ok. Don't print big can't see that well! DUH!)
Bad lighting. Imagine this guy went around thinking he wanted to do photojournalistic shots all the way. I think he was on steroids or whatever or couldn't think straight. In the end, there were terrible shadows on the faces of formal shots. My friend, the groom, got to get back the images and do all the editing himself. Could only improve the shots. They were poorly taken to begin with.
And yes, he used very high ISO for some even when something less is clearly possible. So my buddy got to reduce noise himself also.
Bad post-processing. This photographer told my friend to choose his own shots before printing. You won't believe it if he showed you those shots! Severely underexposed, color balance totally off, totally terrible processing, etc etc. And the composition was questionable at times. I mean, you want people to choose, at least do some decent post-processing first right? In the end, my friend got to do ALL the processing himself also. Imagine...
The photographer's skills is so questionable I wonder if he had any basic knowledge of photography. And guess what? He's WPJA certified! And used D700 and D3 cams with fast f/1.4 and f/2.8 primes and zooms. He has totally no or very little knowledge about lighting. Simply WHAM BAM BAM the camera shutters. Of course, this being digital, some would turn out all right. But not enough to be anywhere near impressive. Very misleading.
For those searching for a wedding photographer, thinking you can rely on portfolio or look at accreditions, like WPJA, think again. As my buddy and I have realized, it's not the final test of the photographer's skills. I don't want to implicate the genuinely good photographers here who have those titles or solid proven portfolios. I take my hats off them. What I'm saying is, sometimes you won't know what is really underneath those "look like a pro" photographers but actually, they know nuts.
No wonder people have little respect for wedding photographers here and I doubt the general standards will get better. What we will see are the really good ones catering to the "upmarket" higher-paying customers. But at the bottom to mid-level, there will be many of these new wannabes who come in with cams that they think can get them money but produce shots that suck. To these people, I say, get your skills on par first. Don't cheat couples of their money.
Know what? When I read your post, I felt like you were my other half as what you wrote mirrors exactly what I would like to say!
My good buddy experienced what you wrote last year. And being an amateur photographer himself, he went thru almost a month's of searching for a good wedding photographer thinking he had found the right one. Wrong man.
He paid a few thousand dollars overall. In the end, the results were not as expected. Out of focus pics, some with important people. (And the photographer got to cheek to say it's ok. Don't print big can't see that well! DUH!)
Bad lighting. Imagine this guy went around thinking he wanted to do photojournalistic shots all the way. I think he was on steroids or whatever or couldn't think straight. In the end, there were terrible shadows on the faces of formal shots. My friend, the groom, got to get back the images and do all the editing himself. Could only improve the shots. They were poorly taken to begin with.
And yes, he used very high ISO for some even when something less is clearly possible. So my buddy got to reduce noise himself also.
Bad post-processing. This photographer told my friend to choose his own shots before printing. You won't believe it if he showed you those shots! Severely underexposed, color balance totally off, totally terrible processing, etc etc. And the composition was questionable at times. I mean, you want people to choose, at least do some decent post-processing first right? In the end, my friend got to do ALL the processing himself also. Imagine...
The photographer's skills is so questionable I wonder if he had any basic knowledge of photography. And guess what? He's WPJA certified! And used D700 and D3 cams with fast f/1.4 and f/2.8 primes and zooms. He has totally no or very little knowledge about lighting. Simply WHAM BAM BAM the camera shutters. Of course, this being digital, some would turn out all right. But not enough to be anywhere near impressive. Very misleading.
For those searching for a wedding photographer, thinking you can rely on portfolio or look at accreditions, like WPJA, think again. As my buddy and I have realized, it's not the final test of the photographer's skills. I don't want to implicate the genuinely good photographers here who have those titles or solid proven portfolios. I take my hats off them. What I'm saying is, sometimes you won't know what is really underneath those "look like a pro" photographers but actually, they know nuts.
No wonder people have little respect for wedding photographers here and I doubt the general standards will get better. What we will see are the really good ones catering to the "upmarket" higher-paying customers. But at the bottom to mid-level, there will be many of these new wannabes who come in with cams that they think can get them money but produce shots that suck. To these people, I say, get your skills on par first. Don't cheat couples of their money.
SnappyPig
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hehe, u can say all u want here but that doesn't stop these ppl from shooting at weddings and ppl hiring them.
If u want justice then I would suggest u put them out of business with your skills cause they ain't gonna stop just because u commented about them here.
The ironic thing is the ppl that u were talking about could be looking at this thread and probably not knowing its them. hehehehe!! ;p
night86mare
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maybe the ts very humorous...
he know how to laugh at himself, he is the photographer :bsmilie:
REVITALISE sounds like some Tongka Ali related product.
REBELLIZERS sounds more garang. I want to be pioneer member. I don't want to just shoot, I want to Rebellize photography :devil:
night86mare
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ok, here's the plan, i be the founder
you be the pioneer member, we find a few more
soon can change "pioneer" to gold member, senior member, jade member, quartz member, based on who we like more or less :devil:
then the rest that we don't really like can call normal member.. and they cannot leave the club :bsmilie:
once a rebellizer, always a rebellizer :bsmilie:
I think tokyoexpress simply wants to rant and let out what he feels is unjustified. You can't stop anyone from doing anything. In fact, I think there will be more of such untrained people with dubious skills going out earning such money.
And I think it's pointless asking tokyoexpress to post pics. In that way, you will reveal who the photographer is. Might as well ask the photographer to be named. Maybe there should be another forum subject on "BAD WEDDING PHOTOGRAPHERS TO AVOID" and we can shame them.
It's easy for you as a bystander to say, SHOW US THE PICS! and enjoy the ugly show that does not involve you. But there will be implications for the poster. I think tokyoexpress should be photography-literate enough to judge what is a good or bad shot.
I wish I could get my friend to show all of you his pics. I just put it this way. You will all be shocked if it were your wedding. Or at least as someone who has paid that kind of money and expected something a lot more decent.
And I think it's pointless asking tokyoexpress to post pics. In that way, you will reveal who the photographer is. Might as well ask the photographer to be named. Maybe there should be another forum subject on "BAD WEDDING PHOTOGRAPHERS TO AVOID" and we can shame them.
It's easy for you as a bystander to say, SHOW US THE PICS! and enjoy the ugly show that does not involve you. But there will be implications for the poster. I think tokyoexpress should be photography-literate enough to judge what is a good or bad shot.
I wish I could get my friend to show all of you his pics. I just put it this way. You will all be shocked if it were your wedding. Or at least as someone who has paid that kind of money and expected something a lot more decent.
kohweeloon
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they may not be good photographers but they are damn good salesperson. make me wonder some of us are green eyes over them.
fotoudavid
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just name it.
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Lightworkz
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That's why you have to see their portfolio first before you engage them. Don't judge a book by its cover.
GENO
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Portfolio can be made to show the BEST of the BEST...whether the person can do a good job is another problem...
human are hardly honest, esp when photography is their only income.
Sion
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I use a 5D MII shell.
Inside is a 400D body.
And spray paint the Sigma lens white.
100% PRO look liao!
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Lightworkz
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If the portfolio works were done by the actual photographer (unless there is dishonesty involved, which is another matter altogether) , you can at least have an idea of his style. Better than engaging someone just by judging what camera he owns. Don't be surprised by the number of people who engage wedding photographers just by looking at what camera the photographer is holding. :bsmilie:
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