forget to add, if you do really go and shoot this wedding, please bring me along, I want to shoot everything in IR.
Looking to engage photography students for my upcoming wedding
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I shot my first wedding by one of this Chance to gain experience weddings and was given a tiny fee. I'd say it was one hell of an experience. It gave me an insight to what wedding photography was about. And thankfully the person that brought me along was very knowledgeable and knew how to guide me properly through it.
If i was a student and i was just seeking for an experience without any prior knowledge of wat to expect at all, then i think i'd probably screw up big time. Its not as simple as looking for creative shots or angles. You need to know what creative shots and angles work and what doesnt. If the insistance of the couple is such that they want to go cheap on the photographer, then i feel that they basically insulted a few people. namely, themselves for not being willing to spend that little bit more fore their wedding, the photographer as they have been branded as cheap, the skill of the photographer even though he/she is just students, the professionals simply because their rice bowls are being challenged by the couple. and the art of the photography itself.
The amount a photographer charges not only determines the output quality of the photos, it determines the attitude of the photographer. The experience of the photographer, the skill, the workmanship, the time, patience and also the possibility that the photographer can be that one person who saves the day just incase sth goes wrong and he/she knows how to react to the situation from the numerous weddings they've shot.
One important thing the price determines also is the way the photographer is treated on the day itself. The higher the charge is, IMO the better they are treated. The lower the charge is. "forget about the i'm grateful you gave me a good price gig" i've seen too many of those.
So for "STUDENTS" who are thinking abt doing this. i think its good to think through the above. Ask at least for a fee that justifies your expenses, ur skill, ur dignity and also a price that will at least justify to the pros that you are not trying to undercut them but instead genuinely wanting to market yourself in hope of reaching their level one day.
If i was a student and i was just seeking for an experience without any prior knowledge of wat to expect at all, then i think i'd probably screw up big time. Its not as simple as looking for creative shots or angles. You need to know what creative shots and angles work and what doesnt. If the insistance of the couple is such that they want to go cheap on the photographer, then i feel that they basically insulted a few people. namely, themselves for not being willing to spend that little bit more fore their wedding, the photographer as they have been branded as cheap, the skill of the photographer even though he/she is just students, the professionals simply because their rice bowls are being challenged by the couple. and the art of the photography itself.
The amount a photographer charges not only determines the output quality of the photos, it determines the attitude of the photographer. The experience of the photographer, the skill, the workmanship, the time, patience and also the possibility that the photographer can be that one person who saves the day just incase sth goes wrong and he/she knows how to react to the situation from the numerous weddings they've shot.
One important thing the price determines also is the way the photographer is treated on the day itself. The higher the charge is, IMO the better they are treated. The lower the charge is. "forget about the i'm grateful you gave me a good price gig" i've seen too many of those.
So for "STUDENTS" who are thinking abt doing this. i think its good to think through the above. Ask at least for a fee that justifies your expenses, ur skill, ur dignity and also a price that will at least justify to the pros that you are not trying to undercut them but instead genuinely wanting to market yourself in hope of reaching their level one day.
Virgo
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Well said bro! :thumbsup:
For weddings, it's only once in a life time, so all potential couples who are getting married, think twice before making the decision.
For weddings, it's only once in a life time, so all potential couples who are getting married, think twice before making the decision.
fotoudavid
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where r u TS? i have yet to see the names of photographer that u say sloppy, or u can't recall?
hanqiang1011
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This is very unpolite of you to say this sort of things. I hope you found the kind of photographer you need.
I have seen some wedding that the host will give each table a disposable camera. Maybe it worth a "shot" with this.
About the professional bringing along "student" for a real wedding shoot, I think it is not too possible. Why will any pro teach someone who will potentially fight with him in this already congested market. Go figure.
About the professional bringing along "student" for a real wedding shoot, I think it is not too possible. Why will any pro teach someone who will potentially fight with him in this already congested market. Go figure.
Yatlapball
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Wow. 1 per table. For that amount of money, you might as well hire a working professional. :bsmilie:
blue monster
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But the prowill be busy taking photos of the bride and groom, where got time to cover the guest?
He will probably come when taking boring table shots. Ok... at most the only action you may see is the "yam seng" of each individual tables(If there is). Usually, the guests are neglected.
I may be wrong though... just sharing what i usually observe.
:dunno:
CYRN
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nowadays where need.. jus hold a photo competition for the guest lah.. those guest wif P&S and HP cams sure take many pics.
glennyong
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guys, please give the TS a break.
Its not like you are being forced to take on the job.
If TS wants students for his/her wedding, so be it.
i do not see why everyone should be making a big fuss over it.
i understand that TS made some very unfriendly claims. but i hope you guys can give him/her a break please.
i hope you guys can co-operate a little thanks.
Its not like you are being forced to take on the job.
If TS wants students for his/her wedding, so be it.
i do not see why everyone should be making a big fuss over it.
i understand that TS made some very unfriendly claims. but i hope you guys can give him/her a break please.
i hope you guys can co-operate a little thanks.
fotoudavid
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ya we are the bad guys.
Yah man, agree. Well, i guess u can't blame pro photographers for reacting this way. rice bowl/ pride being attacked mah. And I'm sure when he made that comment bout photographers being sloppy and stuff, of course he didn't have the intention of making the "SWEEPING STATEMENT" as u all have suggested. i mean, c'mon, to those whu are whining and complaining and bashing, havent u made "sweeping statements" urself about taxi drivers or waiters?? we all have, even me. but we're nt in a bloody courtroom, for cryling out loud. he's defintely making statements from out of his own context. u dun know whats in his head. the whining people obviously take photography very seriously, and this guy doesn't, which i tink is pretty much ok. those whu are interested, reply. Those whu aren't, get back to reading other forums, simple. and maybe, next time i'll start a thread on this topic, a stressbuster for u guys.
XC Pictorial
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Regarding " sloppy "
I have no comments if referring to freelancers...
But if referring to bridal studios... :think:
Go for some bridal fairs if you are free.. Its amazing.
Shocking that shots i will delete on the spot and not let another soul see it ever can make it into coffee table books and even shown to prospective clients.
+1
I have no comments if referring to freelancers...
But if referring to bridal studios... :think:
Go for some bridal fairs if you are free.. Its amazing.
Shocking that shots i will delete on the spot and not let another soul see it ever can make it into coffee table books and even shown to prospective clients.
+1
The only reason why u need to "go around hoping to bump into good photographers on purpose" is because u are getting married and u may have the idea of keeping the wonderful moments captured on print or jpegs. Of coz, I have my dose of seeing marrying couples who wished their ceremony ended ASAP or aint a bit serious in the wedding at all. If you are one of these couples, I have nothing to say and pls continue on ur search.
So wat if life is tiring? Does that means we can stop to mind wat we type online? Does that mean we can just post anything, regardless of its sensitivity to other individuals?
Unless one have been into the shoes of a profession for a good period of time, I believe no one has the ability to say wat others is doing is "so simple even a kid can do better".
Hi sorry for causing this stirrup, I usually take a break from computer during weekends, so sorry for not updating this thread that I started. I already said before I like to take back the statement on saying professionals are sloppy, and I apologise for that, in case you all missed out that post, I would like to post it again here.
As for all suggestions, I am not able to read and reply all, just like to thank you for your contributions and time.
Like to add one more thing, not everyone in the world thinks wedding must be very grand. Many people around the world are just happy to be alive and be with loved ones, they have more things to worry than showing off their wedding photos.
As for all suggestions, I am not able to read and reply all, just like to thank you for your contributions and time.
Like to add one more thing, not everyone in the world thinks wedding must be very grand. Many people around the world are just happy to be alive and be with loved ones, they have more things to worry than showing off their wedding photos.
yes, there are many type of weddings, and not all wedding must have photographers, is all up to the wedding couple.
you want to find anyone to shoot your wedding, or nobody to shoot your wedding, is all up to you.
no professional will want to question you, cos is none of our "business".
I know that you have taken back your words, since than, I didn't post anything directly to you.
anyway, congrats to your wedding and good luck to your finding wedding photographer.
cheers
you want to find anyone to shoot your wedding, or nobody to shoot your wedding, is all up to you.
no professional will want to question you, cos is none of our "business".
I know that you have taken back your words, since than, I didn't post anything directly to you.
anyway, congrats to your wedding and good luck to your finding wedding photographer.
cheers
On the contrary, this thread has alot of lessons anyone could learn, may it be a future wedding couple looking to seek student photogs for a wedding assignment, how pros/free-lancers can better manage the expectations of clients, or even for new photogs who are keen on accepting such assignments know what they have to look out for when taking up such assignments.
There is no reason for this thread to be locked just yet.
Honestly and pardon my words but I tink the TS is kind of a weirdo.
First time I hear a person wants to get photography students to do an important event such as wedding with "a touch of creativity", then at the same time berate pros as sloppy in their work. That's the greatest and most baseless insult to a profession.
I think she is someone who doesn't appreciate wedding pics and also wouldn't mind pics not turning out well. As long as can see faces it's ok. So decided to get free service from students on the pretext of asking them to "practice" their skills. The real reason I tink is to get the free service. Cheapo.
Apologizing and taking back words are just to avoid further trouble and instil back calm. But I think the harm is done. Her bad opinions of pros will still stay despite the apology.
Interesting... :think:
First time I hear a person wants to get photography students to do an important event such as wedding with "a touch of creativity", then at the same time berate pros as sloppy in their work. That's the greatest and most baseless insult to a profession.
I think she is someone who doesn't appreciate wedding pics and also wouldn't mind pics not turning out well. As long as can see faces it's ok. So decided to get free service from students on the pretext of asking them to "practice" their skills. The real reason I tink is to get the free service. Cheapo.
Apologizing and taking back words are just to avoid further trouble and instil back calm. But I think the harm is done. Her bad opinions of pros will still stay despite the apology.
Interesting... :think:
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