LFC II - You'll never Walk Alone

[Speedwagon]

chelsea can offer 32M not becos only they can afford, because Gerrard wortht that price tag. if money is not issue to chelsea..why not chelsea offer 100m for gerrard. if 100m is made an offer and gerrard weekly wage is 1M...i dun think Gerrard will be Liverpool player any more.

Why we never see MU or arsenal make on offer ? because MU has a budget only at 25. They can;t folk out 32m. Not to mention arsenal who even has a smaller budget limit..When u have $150 , u dun walk in to CP to ask for f2.8 lens.

I dun support Liverpool pay 40m for him...I only support Liverpool to offer him a 4 year contract...that would eventuall pay him around 20m after his 4 year service with us.

All this transfer fee had been going out of control. The bubbles will burst sometime......Zidane cost 45.8M and Figo 37.5M. So you think SG is the same class as Zidane and Figo?? SG not even the EPOY.
I didnt say SG is no good, just saying for 40M is really too high for his class.
For you he may worth 40M in Liverpool, it is bcos of his passion with Liverpool...but I will doubt he will have the same passion if he's playing for other clubs...so with his class.....not worth 40M.

 

[zhapchit]

Stevie G is in a class of his own.

 

[MichaelLee]

Liverpool reportly to be enquiring about William Gallas
http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/mediawatch/drilldown/MW8532050710-1051.htm

if we manage to get gallas..that would be the best signings of Rafa after Alonso. we really need as young CB to replacer the aging Hyypia..

There are lots of game coming season. Hyypia and Carra could not possibly play every single game.

 

[MichaelLee]

Zidane cost 45.8M and Figo 37.5M. So you think SG is the same class as Zidane and Figo?? SG not even the EPOY.

Gerrard is a much younger captain to life the European Champion than Zidane & Figo..that made him to have extra edge compared to Others.

True..he may be not EPOY, but Owen is a EPOY.

But do u rate Owen impact on a team is better than Gerrard ?

For you he may worth 40M in Liverpool, it is bcos of his passion with Liverpool

and for Chelsea, he may worth 40m, it is becos of his superb skill that can make Chelsea da best in attack and defence.

Veron cost MU 27....and if Gerrard contribution to a team is much better than Veron..what make u think that he worth less than Veron at 27m ??

 

[Cheesecake]

All this transfer fee had been going out of control. The bubbles will burst sometime......Zidane cost 45.8M and Figo 37.5M. So you think SG is the same class as Zidane and Figo?? SG not even the EPOY.
I didnt say SG is no good, just saying for 40M is really too high for his class.
For you he may worth 40M in Liverpool, it is bcos of his passion with Liverpool...but I will doubt he will have the same passion if he's playing for other clubs...so with his class.....not worth 40M.

ya, the transfer fee is mad! but we'll be more mad if we don't cash in on our most valuable asset while he has a price on his and intends to leave! :bsmilie:

but Stevie G is only worth as much as the team that wants him are willing to pay.

who are we to argue his true worth?

 

[Speedwagon]

Veron cost MU 27....and if Gerrard contribution to a team is much better than Veron..what make u think that he worth less than Veron at 27m ??

Veron is proved to be a failure, so he dnt worth that much......

 

[MichaelLee]

Veron is proved to be a failure, so he dnt worth that much......

a failure Veron cost 27m...a successful Gerrard sure worth more than 27m, rite ? and not 20m as u value it..

 

[nemesis32]

if we manage to get gallas..that would be the best signings of Rafa after Alonso. we really need as young CB to replacer the aging Hyypia..

There are lots of game coming season. Hyypia and Carra could not possibly play every single game.

I think it will not be easy to get gallas for 2 reasons. 1- Chelsea don't need the money. 2- Gallas may not join unless he's promised 1st team as CD, which means relegating Hyypia (more likely) or Carra to bench, which i doubt benetiz will do.... unless he can convince Hyypia to start on bench.

I rather we find a younger, less experienced CB and be deputy of Carra and Hyypia. That said, Gallas will be a very good signing as he can play as LB as well.

 

[nemesis32]

Gerrard is a much younger captain to life the European Champion than Zidane & Figo..that made him to have extra edge compared to Others.

True..he may be not EPOY, but Owen is a EPOY.

But do u rate Owen impact on a team is better than Gerrard ?



and for Chelsea, he may worth 40m, it is becos of his superb skill that can make Chelsea da best in attack and defence.

Veron cost MU 27....and if Gerrard contribution to a team is much better than Veron..what make u think that he worth less than Veron at 27m ??

Whether a player is signed for how much depends on a lot of factors.

Time changes - If Chelsea would like to sign Zidane (in his prime), i think it will cost them 40m pound or more. Kinda like signing Shevchenko from AC. Almost impossible.

Needs - Real's emphasis also changes, they used to crave for attacking players like Figo, Ronaldo and Zidane etc but realise now they need defensive cover. Hence player like Thomasen was signed. I believe if it's 3-5 years ago, there is no way thomasen can be a REAL player.

Contract situation - Owen got off cheaply because we have no choice since he can leave on a free transfer if we don't sell. Effectively, he forced our hands. Given that Macca left to REAL for free, the board will NEVER allow that to happen for Owen. Fair value for Owen shd be closer tpo 20m pound than 8m plus nunez.. Everyone knows that.

AS such, all players transfer values depends on the above 3 factors and thus cannot be compared. Different teams has different needs and different budgets.

 

[nemesis32]

Veron is proved to be a failure, so he dnt worth that much......

Veron is a failure because of the system that Man U plays. I still rate him highly as a player. He is not suitable to play in EPL as he needs time on the ball.

Similarly, if you throw someone like say Lampard in Serie A, i am sure he will not score as many goals. Even Henry was labeled as flops before he joins Arsenal.

It all depends on the player and the league they play.

 

[MichaelLee]

, which i doubt benetiz will do.... unless he can convince Hyypia to start on bench.

rafa at last season...even relegated hyypia to restroom (not even to the bench) to let our 33year, (oldest player in the squad) to play for almost 15 EPL games.

I dun know how much one to do to convince Rafa to relegate Hyypia on the bench. but at least u must older, slower than hyypia, totally useless and easilly fall down like Zenden did a abit of twist and turn.. :bsmilie:

 

[zhapchit]

don't know how much he is worth to other clubs..
he is priceless to us

 

[MichaelLee]

Whether a player is signed for how much depends on a lot of factors.

Time changes - If Chelsea would like to sign Zidane (in his prime), i think it will cost them 40m pound or more. Kinda like signing Shevchenko from AC. Almost impossible.

Needs - Real's emphasis also changes, they used to crave for attacking players like Figo, Ronaldo and Zidane etc but realise now they need defensive cover. Hence player like Thomasen was signed. I believe if it's 3-5 years ago, there is no way thomasen can be a REAL player.

Contract situation - Owen got off cheaply because we have no choice since he can leave on a free transfer if we don't sell. Effectively, he forced our hands. Given that Macca left to REAL for free, the board will NEVER allow that to happen for Owen. Fair value for Owen shd be closer tpo 20m pound than 8m plus nunez.. Everyone knows that.

AS such, all players transfer values depends on the above 3 factors and thus cannot be compared. Different teams has different needs and different budgets.

all sound correct...and true.

and i still dun know how can one value gerrard for just 20m..when Chelsea manager the special one who know their team the best, would offer 35m.

 

[Speedwagon]

all sound correct...and true.

and i still dun know how can one value gerrard for just 20m..when Chelsea manager the special one who know their team the best, would offer 35m.

Haha...is ok...different people has different view. U think SG is worth more then 35M is fine...for me :nono: .
Btw, ZZ and Figo shd be the WPOY not EPOY....
Anyway I'm happy that SG is staying....so no point arguing.
Hope he can prove me wrong that he only worth 20M this coming season.

 

[MichaelLee]

actually....we all must admit that Chelsea had totally interupt the market transfer...and even Wenger showed his frustration.

but then..I believe that even the best player group to gether ..does not guarantee success..although very likely.

we see CHelsea lost to LFC in the Champion league..we see Real madrid not wining anything for 2 seasons, Diouf and partner beat France..etc.

If u have the team work and the passion to fight until ball drop....and the winning mentality...u are the winner.

That is why both Gerrard and Carra are pricelss to us.

Not even 50m is good enough for LFC to accpet the offer for both of them.

 

[zhapchit]

actually....we all must admit that Chelsea had totally interupt the market transfer...and even Wenger showed his frustration.

Real Madrid too..

but then..I believe that even the best player group to gether ..does not guarantee success..although very likely.

we see CHelsea lost to LFC in the Champion league..we see Real madrid not wining anything for 2 seasons, Diouf and partner beat France..etc.

yup.. even the US basketball dream team also lost

If u have the team work and the passion to fight until ball drop....and the winning mentality...u are the winner.

That is why both Gerrard and Carra are pricelss to us.

Not even 50m is good enough for LFC to accpet the offer for both of them.

 

[nemesis32]

all sound correct...and true.

and i still dun know how can one value gerrard for just 20m..when Chelsea manager the special one who know their team the best, would offer 35m.

Simple, a manager like Wenger will prob value Gerrard at 20m because:
1) he already have a similar player in Veira
2) he has a limited budget.

For REal and Chelsea, i wouldn't say they ahve unlimited budget but at least a bigger pocket! You can see from the interested parties in Gerrard, only a few teams are able to bid for him. Teams like Arsenal, Newcastle or foreign teams like Monaco or Juve would not even bother.

 

[nemesis32]

actually....we all must admit that Chelsea had totally interupt the market transfer...and even Wenger showed his frustration.

but then..I believe that even the best player group to gether ..does not guarantee success..although very likely.

we see CHelsea lost to LFC in the Champion league..we see Real madrid not wining anything for 2 seasons, Diouf and partner beat France..etc.

If u have the team work and the passion to fight until ball drop....and the winning mentality...u are the winner.

That is why both Gerrard and Carra are pricelss to us.

Not even 50m is good enough for LFC to accpet the offer for both of them.

True.. Madrid is a prime example. However, with Chelsea, it will be tough to beat as Mourihno has done well for 1st season and Roman is quite hands-off so it will be easier for him to mould the team.

Important, the SPECIAL ONE also emphasize of team work, which REAL, clearly lacks. Plus the fact that they built the team based on defence (see how many 1-0 win they have last season) will make them tough to beat.

In EPL, i think they will be at disadvantage if other teams improved and see them as public enemy. By being low-scoring, with the mis-firing strikers (provided duff and robben are not playing), they will struggle to pick up points against the top teams.

 

[Cheesecake]

i think its madness that rafa is keen to sign peter crouch.

 

[zhapchit]

Simple, a manager like Wenger will prob value Gerrard at 20m because:

That will be him trying his luck :bsmilie: