Leica m9 problem, can anyone help?
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Sorry to raise the ire of everyone here, especially the originator of the question. Just so you know, I AM Singaporean. So happens I live in the US. I actually have 3 Leica's amongst the other cameras I rotate and shoot with. I did not mean to represent what I personally think, merely to illustrate the point that the way we ask questions sometimes might have unintended meanings to others. I guess in the end, I am most guilty of that myself. So again apologies to all. I really appreciate this small piece of Singapore that you guys built here, and don't want to bring in any ill feelings.
As for my suggestion, here is an example from another board on another unrelated thread. (Have to replace the xx's with tt)
hxxp://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&thread=42397395
There is a picture all the way to the end of the thread where the author showed a room that's lit by a flash, where it also preserved the white balance of the scene outside. Not the same I know, and it's not the solution I prefer. And not a great picture either, but it illustrates a point. Since I am not a flash shooter and don't profess to be an expert this, but it can be done. Of course I concur the solution offered by others are the ones that are easier to try and get the desired results.
As for my suggestion, here is an example from another board on another unrelated thread. (Have to replace the xx's with tt)
hxxp://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1020&thread=42397395
There is a picture all the way to the end of the thread where the author showed a room that's lit by a flash, where it also preserved the white balance of the scene outside. Not the same I know, and it's not the solution I prefer. And not a great picture either, but it illustrates a point. Since I am not a flash shooter and don't profess to be an expert this, but it can be done. Of course I concur the solution offered by others are the ones that are easier to try and get the desired results.
Unagidon
Member
Riotbmx said:
I think you made a mistake, using flash to correct wb between background and subject work this way.
If your subject has a warm tone and sky is daylight(neutral) by changing your subject into natural colour will turn your sky blue. So by using a blue gel, it neutralize the subject warm tone to neutral while sky remains.
If your subject has a cool tone and your back ground is daylight, you use a warm tone to balance it.
If your background has extreme blue tone use a blue tone flash gel, green use a green gel and yellow use a yellow gel so that you can tone the down colour when adjusting the wb.
For the ts case if you want to use greycard to adjust your wb you have to do it everytime when you are about to shoot something(place it near the subject take a photo, use that as reference by adjusting blue to yellow tone and the green to red tone until you feel that it is correct).To be frank light changes everywhere we go it is very troublesome and it is better to use auto or preset settings unless you hit into tricky situation like the bbq photo you took (indoor light is yellow and sky is neutral daylight and when indoor light is balance sky turn blue) . Sometimes the auto wb can be off due to the metering settings. Try to read your manual, it will tells you how your camera behaves under certain circumstances last thing to think about before you adjust something, is your screen colour temperature correctly adjusted, same goes to your monitor at home. shoot more happy learning
(different camera behave differently).
Riotbmx
Senior Member
Unagidon said:
Errrr actually I don't see where my mistake is leh. In my example the subject is bluish tone and the background sky is blue, using an orange gel flash will neutralise the subject and preserve the blue sky. Because using a screw on orange filter to adjust the white balance would means sacrificing the blue sky, so flash with orange gel would be ideal(other than photoshop) in that example. I don't shoot in colour but I'm always interested in learning about light, appreciate all the lessons here.
So back to TS' BBQ photo. So the background and the subject has 2 different tones and the camera and only set the WB to one, so can he set the WB to the background and correct the subject using flash? I haven't thought I this until now because I've always think I'm shooting film and forgot that TS can adjust the WB digitally.
would appreciate you guys can stay on the topic,
"the color temperature"
FYI, using flash is one of the solution,
since the background light source is daylight, flash is close to daylight, so you will able to blend the color temperature nicely, of course, you need to set camera white balance to daylight as well.
and one more thing, if you know how to use flash properly, you will able to get pleasing result with flash.
"the color temperature"
FYI, using flash is one of the solution,
since the background light source is daylight, flash is close to daylight, so you will able to blend the color temperature nicely, of course, you need to set camera white balance to daylight as well.
and one more thing, if you know how to use flash properly, you will able to get pleasing result with flash.
Unagidon
Member
Riotbmx said:
Haha i thought your subject is yellow if warm subject use warm flash gel sky will become super blue after correction. If its blue subject blue background just adjust wb digitally to more yellow prob solved. Yes he can adjust it using the flash method. I am also shooting film now but i like colour more but if my deduction is correct you also can do the same to film. Normal film is daylight (you can also get tungsten one like those lomo film with colour tone), using the same concept but use lens filter to balance up the colour just like adjusting it digitally and finally use flash to balance the rest. Sounds complicated but yet to try it out
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Riotbmx
Senior Member
Unagidon said:
Actually it isn't complicated once you understand light. My very little knowledge about WB started when I passed by a studio and they were using blue filters to cool down the tungsten light for the video shoot. Once you get the concept all you need to do is look at the scene and visualise what you have to do in your head. Like
I've said earlier I don't shoot in colour, but I do take lots of photos with my head when I look at things so.... I used to shoot with colour filters for my black and white photos so visualising the final image before even taking the photos is quite natural to me. But lately I've gone bak to basics and begun shooting without filters again
ExplorerII
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I believe what Catchlight said is correct; he is specific and explains.
To put it simply, the TS should set the WB to match the background, and use the flash to give the correct tone for the people shot.
To put it simply, the TS should set the WB to match the background, and use the flash to give the correct tone for the people shot.
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NakhedCouture
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So i guess, my next step is to learn and play around with flash.
Thanks Catchlight!
Thanks explorer, i'll give it a try.
ExplorerII
Member
But for some, using a flash on an M is not so cool leh. 
NakhedCouture
New Member
But for some, using a flash on an M is not so cool leh.
But Eric Kim and Jacob Aue Sobol are using flash..and they look so cool !
ExplorerII
Member
Speaking of flash, does anyone know whether there's an SCA adaptor for Leica M? I'm using a Metz 32 Z2.
virtualme78
Senior Member
Don't think its cool to say demeaning things about others just because you do not agree with the person's way of doing things. Some like it while the others hate it. Different strokes, different folks. That being said, I do not agree with shoot flash in other's face as well but I think the end result can be rather cool sometimes.
Riotbmx
Senior Member
virtualme78 said:
If he's making photographs by doing so I think it's fine, but randomly snapping at ppl's faces just to make a statement will only create a bad image for other photographers who document the streets. You have to respect your subjects
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9hXFVJELziw
Not necessarily, you might end up mixing two concepts (white balance and fill flash) and creating a bigger mess.
This is what we recommend in newbies corner: Understanding White Balance
Not sure how many met such issues with street photographs with flash
Getting the Melbourne Police Called On Me For Shooting Street Photography - YouTube
But some of the pictures really smell street...nice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkXr1ZoP2HU&feature=related
Getting the Melbourne Police Called On Me For Shooting Street Photography - YouTube
But some of the pictures really smell street...nice
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SkXr1ZoP2HU&feature=related
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virtualme78
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Riotbmx said:
I believe he respects his subjects as well just that the method he use to achieve what he wants seems a little offensive. There are other people who are doing the same. If I'm not wrong Bruce Gilden is the first to do that and Charlie Kirk is doing the same thing in Japan, even some of us in CS are experimenting it. Pretty sure most if not all of them respect their subjects (not sure about Bruce Gilden tho), just that getting that shot comes before the respect...
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