Kidnapping A XMM o.O

[obfuscate]

violence to woman here yes, obviously because its the subject matter, sexual assault that's your perception already isn't it? probably stereotyped from the media. if i had wanted sexual assault, i would have planned, sketched and shot it. well that's me i guess

since the photos are open to interpretation just like any adverts or marketing promotions, i really wasn't driving any subliminal message here. I'm honestly just shooting something i felt was a challenge to myself as a photographer and make up artist

I won't go as far as to say that everything thcat can be picked out was intentional. While you are right to suggest that perceptions are dependent on the

actually i didnt expect so much response, when i saw people saying the felt the pain and some disgust, i thought it was really something that struck the audience, that's sort of an achievement for me. One might say its because of the content but there's so many controversial topics out there too.

i understand your pov as a parent, could this then be a learning kit to teach what not to do? just like how crimewatch always portray violence and educate public otherwise not to do that. just my 2 cts

I don't quite agree that it is entirely up to someone say myself to perceive sexual assualt, the series of photos practically depict that, it will come across in one way or another to anyone who sees these photos to think this way.

I don't quite see how much of an achievement here, it gets pretty low marks for purpose. I would not even use these photos to educate anyone cause it is more perverted than educational.

 

[sprintist]

I don't quite agree that it is entirely up to someone say myself to perceive sexual assualt, the series of photos practically depict that, it will come across in one way or another to anyone who sees these photos to think this way.

I don't quite see how much of an achievement here, it gets pretty low marks for purpose. I would not even use these photos to educate anyone cause it is more perverted than educational.

sure thing, i have shot this for my own challenge, i know i can't please everyone but i did not intend to please anyone in the first place, i'm always just sharing

if that goes, we as photographers should only shoot the nice happy things because anything perverse would be distasteful or tasteless. if there's no such thing as tasteless, there's no benchmark for tasteful, let me be the bad example now lor :bsmilie:

 

[GanS_n_PoserS]

sure thing, i have shot this for my own challenge, i know i can't please everyone but i did not intend to please anyone in the first place, i'm always just sharing

if that goes, we as photographers should only shoot the nice happy things because anything perverse would be distasteful or tasteless. if there's no such thing as tasteless, there's no benchmark for tasteful, let me be the bad example now lor :bsmilie:

When you have a concept just do it! .. the execution is good and it looks fun to me... your models did a good job. :thumbsup:

 

[vince123123]

I hope as a parent, you ban your children from watching television, surfing the internet, reading comics, reading novels, watching movies etc. To achieve all of these, you probably need to put them in a padded cell with no external contact.

That is the only way you can maintain the same high level of purity for your kids, as you are trying to impute to sprintist.

I also guess we need to tell our kids not to be movie directors, novel writers and script writers, otherwise they will be ostracized from their relatives and families.

As a series,

Perverted.

Bad taste.

Low class.

Yucks. :thumbsd:

Have you shown this to your parents, grandparents, relatives, friends, girlfriends or even children? Show them and ask them what they think, I am almost sure that you will have a different opinion after that and if not, they will have a different opinion of you.

Yes, it's art if that is what you want to all it, I can live with calling it art too, but to me, it's art of a tasteless nature.

That's good then, although I don't believe you wholesale as I am a parent myself.

I personally do not see anything good out of this series, i.e. violence to women, a very strong hint of sexual assault with the torn clothes and all etc.

If I had my way, I would have had this thread locked up for good, better still deleted.

 

[obfuscate]

I hope as a parent, you ban your children from watching television, surfing the internet, reading comics, reading novels, watching movies etc. To achieve all of these, you probably need to put them in a padded cell with no external contact.

That is the only way you can maintain the same high level of purity for your kids, as you are trying to impute to sprintist.

I also guess we need to tell our kids not to be movie directors, novel writers and script writers, otherwise they will be ostracized from their relatives and families.

As a parent, I allow my children to be exposed to all things that they are ready to learn, I just make sure that I give them my opinions so that they will be able to figure out what is right and what isn't.

If they surf this site and see this thread, I will explain to them that there are perverted people who appreciate violence and assault as a form of art.

 

[bEnd1ck]

Educational or not.... is about how you make use of the information on hand.
So how do you educate your children about violence?? read dictionary?

 

[night86mare]

Bro.. you shoot a series where a XMM kidnap a GWC, bash him up, tear off his clothes and than takes photos of him. See still got pple complaint anot? :bsmilie:

actually, i think i want to see this :bsmilie:

hard candy clubsnap version please!!!!!!!!

 

[madmacs]

That's good then, although I don't believe you wholesale as I am a parent myself.

I personally do not see anything good out of this series, i.e. violence to women, a very strong hint of sexual assault with the torn clothes and all etc.

If I had my way, I would have had this thread locked up for good, better still deleted.

well thank goodness you can't have your way huh? :bsmilie:

 

[madmacs]

As a parent, I allow my children to be exposed to all things that they are ready to learn, I just make sure that I give them my opinions so that they will be able to figure out what is right and what isn't.

If they surf this site and see this thread, I will explain to them that there are perverted people who appreciate violence and assault as a form of art.

indeed there are a lot of perverted people in this world then - ridley scott, stanley kubrick, francis ford coppola, kim di-duk, royston tan - to name a few.

man you really need to sort out your mind.

 

[Lolrence]

I think all the xmms will start running away from you :bsmilie::bsmilie:

 

[pebblez]

Hmm..

I think there are no ill intentions here, TS just presenting different facades of photography, and everyone perceives it differently, its sad, don't think we should be putting the TS down personally..
Say if anyone were to become professional in the future, and you were given such a theme, you can't reject your client's requests.. right?

Thought some credits should go to the photographer and the models who managed to pull such a tough set off =)

I think it is encouraging also (to the TS) that your work invoked so many different ways of reading photography eg: torn clothes= violence etc, I thought you suceeded in telling the story.

Nice work (and oh yes, the polka dot to white tee bewildered me)

 

[Zeisser]

Hmm..

Say if anyone were to become professional in the future, and you were given such a theme, you can't reject your client's requests.. right?

No right minded client would ever request such a theme-the glorification of violence especially against women.

 

[zaren]

sure thing, i have shot this for my own challenge, i know i can't please everyone but i did not intend to please anyone in the first place, i'm always just sharing

if that goes, we as photographers should only shoot the nice happy things because anything perverse would be distasteful or tasteless. if there's no such thing as tasteless, there's no benchmark for tasteful, let me be the bad example now lor :bsmilie:

true....i suppose taste (and art) is subjective. e.g. i find photos of roadkill distasteful or tasteless, but that's just me.
(warning! roadkill photo)
http://farm1.static.flickr.com/21/35164103_644156ba7d.jpg?v=1124398415

 

[night86mare]

true....i suppose taste (and art) is subjective. e.g. i find photos of roadkill distasteful or tasteless, but that's just me.

zaren, maybe you might want to put a warning that that is a roadkill picture.

i do not like roadkill either, although i can take it. i know many people cannot.

anyways, this is a forum, we're all entitled to our own opinions, so long as it is done with an open, and with no hidden intentions (e.g. self portrayal as a saint or as an open-minded individual).

to me, i do not like the shots beyond #7 or so, but i am not going to condemn sprintist for taking them, because they aren't exactly morally wrong either, keeping in mind that it is just play-acting. i also know him, so i really don't think he is that sort of person, although i am puzzled why he has taken up such a theme, it surprised me.

that's all i have to say. anyways, i applaud sprintist once again for the maturity shown in the repsonses to his photos. if only everyone could show as much maturity when replying to the thread in the first place, without having the desire to shove their opinions down each others' throats to prove something about their worth, then this world would be a better place, but that is too much to hope for, because sometimes people are not interested in commenting, only on proving who is more morally vindicated, or more open-minded. well, for the former, i see way too much passion; and for the latter, i see way too much smugness; in either case, both confound me.

 

[obfuscate]

indeed there are a lot of perverted people in this world then - ridley scott, stanley kubrick, francis ford coppola, kim di-duk, royston tan - to name a few.

man you really need to sort out your mind.

No, people who glorify violence and assault againt women need to sort their minds out.

 

[zaren]

indeed there are a lot of perverted people in this world then - ridley scott, stanley kubrick, francis ford coppola, kim di-duk, royston tan - to name a few.

not to forget all the producers and directors of the huge worldwide porn industry.

and the "amateurs" like edison chen as well.....

 

[sprintist]

this isn't glorifying violence, i see it as just portraying from a neutral point of view. i'm showing what is violence, not showing that violence is good


pervert or not, i have no control what everyone has to say so if i'm a pervert to anyone, ok, if i'm a hobbyist photographer, ok too. I know i am the latter and will continue to be but what is more important is that i'm not that kind of person in reality and i also don't believe in physical violence. I'm glad i have not been punched or threw one before, i think that really hurts and sucked:bsmilie:

about roadkill pictures, then photojournalists are some of the most distasteful people ever document the worst sides of human humanity, i find even paparazzi worse though :bsmilie::bsmilie:

 

[sprintist]

No right minded client would ever request such a theme-the glorification of violence especially against women.

not exactly leh, the client maybe is SPF, wants to put a cross sign on top of the violent photos how, say no to violence :sticktong

 

[vince]

not to forget all the producers and directors of the huge worldwide porn industry.

and the "amateurs" like edison chen as well.....

I seriously doubt that porn in any way or form is anything other than what it is, porn.

The debate on what is art and what is pornography has been ongoing and is as controversial as ever.

In Singapore, we are "protected" from such violence and pornography by the board of censors.

While I'm not here to judge anyone, I find that the TS's work is good photographically. However, that being said, the content leaves a sour aftertaste.

I do not condone violence against women at all and there should be a moral or lesson learnt in the series of photographs.

A vast majority of movies made by the aforementioned filmmakers (ridley scott, stanley kubrick, francis ford coppola, kim di-duk, royston tan) have an ending for the perpetrator of the act of violence they so richly deserve. Usually they're either caught or killed themselves.

Perhaps the TS should include a deserving ending for the criminal which better demonstrates the fate of people who commit such acts of violence.

Yes, not everyone gets caught but in the context of making a story, having closure would make the story better appreciated.

 

[vince123123]

Okay then, hope you are available on hand during every movie, every TV show and every novel, comic book and game they play, and tell them that such things are bad, and that all movie directors, photographers, actors, scriptwriters, are bad bad people who should go into the 13th level of hell.

Make sure you stay for the credits, so that you can tell them "Boy boy, these are the perverts who made the movie, don't be like them", as the credits roll up.

To reinforce the teachings, you next have to ensure that you watch awards ceremonies, academy, oscars etc with them, and then point out to them "Boy boy, remember that movie you watched, now see that man there, he's a pervert, make sure you don't appear on TV like that hor, else all your friends will think you are a pervert".

As a parent, I allow my children to be exposed to all things that they are ready to learn, I just make sure that I give them my opinions so that they will be able to figure out what is right and what isn't.

If they surf this site and see this thread, I will explain to them that there are perverted people who appreciate violence and assault as a form of art.