fengwei
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do you rem which shop quoted you 950nett? thks in advance
It's shop #02-77, can't remember its name. Firstly they asked for 1200, then dropped to 998, then gave me a final price at $950 when I was walking out of the store ...
K10D Vs K100D
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It's shop #02-77, can't remember its name. Firstly they asked for 1200, then dropped to 998, then gave me a final price at $950 when I was walking out of the store ...
hahah, i think thats the same shop that quoted me 1.2k loh.. at first a young guy was talking, he offered 980 and 512mb card then a older man took over and said with lens is 1.2k... sibey crook... i said else where only 1k then he said 1050 with 1gb, i offered 1050nett for camera and 1gb, he did not answered and I just walked out..
phantasmal
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A Panasonic authorised seller signboard one?
southernoise
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probably they say you have to buy this uncoated filter for $30 and this reflective LCD protector for $40 and prices not inclusive of GST and no free 1G card.... yadda yadda yadda... you know the drill lah.
i agree...tat's why i did it via e-quotation with cathay, alan photo, and ms color...no need to look at those bengs...
creampuff
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Huh, lenses? Don't know what you're talking about. If you read the review closely, the issue isn't about the resolving power of the lenses used but on the camera's image processing of the sensor info. The dynamic range in RAW of the camera is really impressive and the quality of the jpeg is pretty good for those who don't want to shoot RAW.
I suggest you go and look at the comparative images again because there is definitely a noticeable edge over the D50 and on par with the higher megapixel 350D.
Erh. why do you say it's got nothing to do with the resolving power of the lenses? (for those tests, the pentax was using a pentax 50 1.4, while the nikon was using a nikon's 50 1.8.)
There -are- slight differences in resolution, but it's possibly because of the lens, rather than anything else...
creampuff
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Your're reading too much in the difference in lenses. In the first place the reason why a standard lens is used is because they offer an excellent overall balance of sharpness, optical abberation and contrast. The differences in the resolution chart comparison on page 23 of the review show that all the lenses can resolve well but it isn't about the lenses per se because if one looks at the Pentax K100D vs the Pentax *ist DS, they are using the same 50mm f1.4 but the absolute and extinction resolutions are different. So the differences isn't about the lenses but the camera's sensor processing.
If it was a comparison between lenses, then an MTF comparison would have been more accurate by way of resolving detail, sharpness and contrast.
You're reading too little into the difference in lenses.
The*ist DS and K100D are using the SAME lens, (and the same sensor) so it's really only the processing differences which will show up.
and.. MTF comparisons.. how do you think that's going to be done? Generally it'll just be the same film (sensor!) and different lens, right? (and. d'oh. look what we have here.)
Next - you do know that the pentax 50 1.7 is regarded as "sharper" than the 50 1.4 right? It's just that the 50 1.4 is supposed to be excellent (across all makes) and that might be the only thing causing the difference.
I'm just saying that the possibility should be considered.
look4raymond
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Today's Digital Life feature the Pentax K10D advertisement again, but WHERE'S THE CAMERA!!??? :sticktong
creampuff
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You're reading too little into the difference in lenses.
The*ist DS and K100D are using the SAME lens, (and the same sensor) so it's really only the processing differences which will show up.
and.. MTF comparisons.. how do you think that's going to be done? Generally it'll just be the same film (sensor!) and different lens, right? (and. d'oh. look what we have here.)
Next - you do know that the pentax 50 1.7 is regarded as "sharper" than the 50 1.4 right? It's just that the 50 1.4 is supposed to be excellent (across all makes) and that might be the only thing causing the difference.
I'm just saying that the possibility should be considered.
If you knew how a modulation transfer function (MTF) test is done, you would know that the film or sensor used does not come into the picture. Your statement that the Pentax 50mm is somehow better than the Nikon 50mm f1.8 can't be conclusively proven because what one sees on the test is a combination of lens shapeness and camera's processing of the sensor info.
If the *ist DS and K100D in the test results differs even with identical lenses, then it's got to be the camera, as you have acknowledged. And even if the D50 does use the same 6 mp sensor as the Pentax, differences in the image arise due to a combination of lens AND camera processing. So how can you make a say that it's due to the lenses?
Actually you're right - I was thinking about generic lens tests.
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The question is, of course, how much is due to camera processing and how much is due to the lens. DP review says that it's ALL due to the camera processing, I disagree because it seems that at least some of the differences may be attributable to the lens.
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