John 3:16


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no shop is perfect - if you don't like john 3:16 , don't complain about it here. Go to a different shop.

Today i went there, and asked for a 400mm f/5.6 lens, for which they quoted me a certain price, and when i told them that the lens costs less at a rival shop (which is true,btw) , they matched the price AND gave me a proper discount on a Hoya filter.

See, you gotta be nice to them. If you think you know everything and they are just salesmen (which is not true, Theodore at J3:16 knows what he says), you'll never be happy anywhere. They're informed. They're people. They have their opinions. If you can't deal with it, don't complain here.

If you guys are just too technically adept for salesmen, go order from B&H or something. It might save you some money, and you don't need to deal with people who are 'less informed' than you. Realize that 70-80% of camera consumers aren't as technically proficient as many of us are, and it's the salesman's job to convince them or explain to them about camera models and whatever is related.


I think we shouldn't stop complaints if there are things to complain about. This is feedback given by their own shop customers. Just like you said, we are people, we have opinions. The purpose of a forum is voice out our honest opinion. What's the point if in every shop's thread, we are only talking about the good and not the bad. then when people go there and have a bad experience, they'll think that CS forumers only know how to tok c***.

this is an open market. all shops (not only 3:16) should use this as a tool to gain an insight into customer satisfaction.
 

just wondering.. have any of you run an actual business?
 

I think we shouldn't stop complaints if there are things to complain about. This is feedback given by their own shop customers. Just like you said, we are people, we have opinions. The purpose of a forum is voice out our honest opinion. What's the point if in every shop's thread, we are only talking about the good and not the bad. then when people go there and have a bad experience, they'll think that CS forumers only know how to tok c***.

this is an open market. all shops (not only 3:16) should use this as a tool to gain an insight into customer satisfaction.

yes i second this :thumbsup:

IMHO this forum is for us CSers to express ourselves not just for the sake of complaining but to get everyone informed. it is not our intention to pull anyone down but i think this forum will also help concerned people to further improve their service...

peace to everyone...


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I believe there is nothing wrong to come here to complaint. But, I would like to see people also complaining AT the shop instead of suffering quietly there and then come here to complain.

The most effect way to let the shop know they are doing something wrong is by letting them know you are not happy with them right there and you are preparing to take your purchases somewhere else.

Not sure if the shops will be monitoring ClubSnap for feedback on their shops so by telling them straight to their face is the most effect way if you hope they will realize you are not happy.
 

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Hi all, guess everyone here have their every own good or bad experience at John 3:16.

I have no doubt in their salesmanship; its brilliant. But there is one occasion when I ask for the availability of CIR POL for 52mm. And what I got was a weird look and Sam told me no one gets a 52mm CIR POL, where he ended with a little giggle.

So what does he mean? If one own a 52mm lens, does that mean it don't work or is he laughing at those who ask for it? So what if this is just a kit lens and I want to fix it with a CIR POL. And dare to say, I got it from AP, and dare to say, I snap a good shot of a sunset scene using a 52mm lens with CIR POL attached. And I got good C&C.

So what does he gotta say about this? And there is a purpose for the manufacturer to provide this filter size, right?

It makes me think that they are choosing type of customers to serve and gives good service. Those who are giving them small profit business will either wait or given a discounted service.

I felt discriminated at that moment as he was half-way serving others and a few customers' eyes were looking at me. After he told me the cost and say he can order the filter coz they don't keep that size in their shop, I told nevermind and walked off.

I am here to say kit lenses can take stunning shots too. If such businessman just want to earn your big bucks and forget about giving real service to customers from all levels, then they are not good in their service. So what if the price they offer might be lower than some other shops.

If Sam see what I've written here, he owe me a public apology.
Wow...That's very harsh. I believe Sam is just trying to tell you that it is rather uncommon for people to buy a polarising filter for the 52mm thread.
And I don't think polarising filters are the right choice for a sunset, maybe you should get some GND filters for that... From my experiences with buying stuff from Sam, I got really good service when buying even a $8 Nikon lens cap. Maybe it's because you went at a time when the shop was very crowded so the staff were under pressure to be faster in their serving?
 

I believe there is nothing wrong to come here to complaint. But, I would like to see people also complaining AT the shop instead of suffering quietly there and then come here to complain.

The most effect way to let the shop know they are doing something wrong is by letting them know you are not happy with them right there and you are preparing to take your purchases somewhere else.

Not sure if the shops will be monitoring ClubSnap for feedback on their shops so by telling them straight to their face is the most effect way if you hope they will realize you are not happy.

haha, well there are different sorts of people ba =) not everyone feels comfortable with making a scene on the spot. For me, being crowded is really not their fault, but they could definitely handle it better. Like how some restaurants can be very crowded, but they will still pay attention to the people waiting in queue, like offering them drinks first, and telling them how much longer they have to wait.

If I was really offended, I would have written directly to them through email. Which actually reminds me, I emailed 3:16 last month with an enquiry, and have yet to get a reply from them.
 

I do not have personal knowledge of John316 service quality.

I have never got past the queue, so I have never been served.

Still, undeniably, if you pop into Funan, it is extremely obvious that John316 is the only crowded shop, whereas most other camera shops are beating mosquitoes. This can be explained if since many people describe John316 staff having tendency to talk alot. I suppose other camera shop ah pek do not talk so much.

talking alot is one thing, but you cannot deny credit to John316 because:
  • got so many customers are willing to wait in the queue patiently for their turn;
  • got so many customers are willing to listen to john316 talking alot. Surely cannot be talking cork, I'm sure john316 cannot captivate audience if they are just talking bullshit.
 

I went past the shop on Monday (16/11/09). They provide chairs for customers to sit :)
I did not go in.
 

yeah. There are stools by the wall for customers in the queue to sit and wait. Not bad if you interested to listen. But trouble is customers are not there to attend lecture, but to be served. I do not think putting stools there will help.

Instead, I think John316 should convert to camera consultancy and provide solutions instead via appointments. Since their service quality is so good, they should go beyond retail and become photography consultants. that should be better than letter customer wait in queue, no?
 

I do not have personal knowledge of John316 service quality.

I have never got past the queue, so I have never been served.

Still, undeniably, if you pop into Funan, it is extremely obvious that John316 is the only crowded shop, whereas most other camera shops are beating mosquitoes. This can be explained if since many people describe John316 staff having tendency to talk alot. I suppose other camera shop ah pek do not talk so much.

talking alot is one thing, but you cannot deny credit to John316 because:
  • got so many customers are willing to wait in the queue patiently for their turn;
  • got so many customers are willing to listen to john316 talking alot. Surely cannot be talking cork, I'm sure john316 cannot captivate audience if they are just talking bullshit.

I somewhat agree with your 2nd point, as many others have said, there are consumers who appreciate the attention and information their salesmen provide.

But I think your first point on customers being willing to wait in queue is not entirely accurate. As all Singaporeans will know, if a stall/shop got queue = must be good/cheap. Is this really true? Or just crowd mentality. Last time people queue hours for doughnuts, were the doughnuts really that great? The phase also died out quickly after people realised that it wasn't worth it. So, could 3:16 be using this crowd mentality to their advantage? Their salesmen intentionally speak longer so a crowd forms, which leads to curious passerbys joining in.


yeah. There are stools by the wall for customers in the queue to sit and wait. Not bad if you interested to listen. But trouble is customers are not there to attend lecture, but to be served. I do not think putting stools there will help.

Instead, I think John316 should convert to camera consultancy and provide solutions instead via appointments. Since their service quality is so good, they should go beyond retail and become photography consultants. that should be better than letter customer wait in queue, no?


that's a good idea actually! Maybe a more immediate solution would be to just at least have the cashier available at the counter, for people who want to just make a direct purchase. one time I just wanted to buy a $20+ filter. I didn't need people to intro me the filter, I already know what I want. But all I saw were salesmen, and no cashiers.
 

Er, I don't think he was trying to be insulting, but his manner can be a bit flippant sometimes. In this case, insensitive, maybe but hardly to the level of "discrimination" that requires a "public apology." Please......that's being over sensitive and you have neither legal nor moral grounds to claim it. You want REAL discrimination, you go to Cathay and watch them serve particular clientele over locals regardless of who came in first. Otherwise, just vote with your feet as you've already done.

If you're going to be this sensitive, I guarantee you that somewhere along the way, you're going to be pissed with every major camera shop that's discussed in these forums. Just read the forums, and you'll see that everyone has a kudos to give or a horror story to tell about their "favourite" camera shop. And this hardly constitutes the worst of the transgressions: heck, even in case of attitude, this is open to interpretation at best, and doesn't compare remotely to anything else you read on the forums.

I don't think you've considered the fact that he may have made that remark in the light of the fact that nobody in his customer base buys 52mm filters, and that also explains his lack of stock for it? In which case, the remark is not directed at you but at the scarcity of requests for that filter. You make a vain attempt to turn it into a matter of class discrimination by saying he is discriminating against those with kit lenses: how the hell would he know what you were shooting with? Some very expensive older Nikon manual lenses use the 52mm filter size too: if he had made that remark to them, what would your spin have been then?

John 3:16 has much in their act to clean up, I agree. The LONG waits from asking for a lens to paying for it, are why I don't go there anymore. I know exactly what I want, so these days I just go to Lords or Orient Photo, no fuss no muss shopping. Your mileage may vary.

Hey bro, you are right in a certain way. Well, I was quick-tempered over it.

I know everyone has their very own experience over each shops, be it good or bad. However, maybe you have yet to go through that, so you don't feel the pinch.

My intention is to tell people about them, not to ask for any immediate action to be done by them. I know you want to sound neutral, but we have freedom of speech here.

Thanks for your good intention.
 

Wow...That's very harsh. I believe Sam is just trying to tell you that it is rather uncommon for people to buy a polarising filter for the 52mm thread.
And I don't think polarising filters are the right choice for a sunset, maybe you should get some GND filters for that... From my experiences with buying stuff from Sam, I got really good service when buying even a $8 Nikon lens cap. Maybe it's because you went at a time when the shop was very crowded so the staff were under pressure to be faster in their serving?

Well, bro...I managed to get a good shot of sunset using polarising filter...sorry to say that. Of coz, GND is good for it too.

Honestly, its not for him to judge if its common or not for someone to get 52mm filters. I believe around the world, there are many people who are using 52mm lenses too.

Whatever it is, good that you guys get good service from them.
 

Well, bro...I managed to get a good shot of sunset using polarising filter...sorry to say that. Of coz, GND is good for it too.

Honestly, its not for him to judge if its common or not for someone to get 52mm filters. I believe around the world, there are many people who are using 52mm lenses too.

Whatever it is, good that you guys get good service from them.

You are not wrong about using polarising fliter for sunset shoot. Most of my sunset shots are taken using polarising filters. In fact I never shoot using GND. Polarising fliter can do certain wonders which GND can't. :)
 

Well, bro...I managed to get a good shot of sunset using polarising filter...sorry to say that. Of coz, GND is good for it too.

Honestly, its not for him to judge if its common or not for someone to get 52mm filters. I believe around the world, there are many people who are using 52mm lenses too.

Whatever it is, good that you guys get good service from them.

agreed, I use a CPL filter for my 52mm too. We each have our own photography preferences and techniques. Who's he to decide for us?

If everyone followed the same stipulated methods and equipment, what room for creativity is there?
 

Well, bro...I managed to get a good shot of sunset using polarising filter...sorry to say that. Of coz, GND is good for it too.

Honestly, its not for him to judge if its common or not for someone to get 52mm filters. I believe around the world, there are many people who are using 52mm lenses too.

Whatever it is, good that you guys get good service from them.

I support you in your opinion. Well, let it go bah, I think some shop nearby (opposite?) appears to provide better service and better prices. Competition is what makes consumers win :)

Wow...That's very harsh. I believe Sam is just trying to tell you that it is rather uncommon for people to buy a polarising filter for the 52mm thread.
And I don't think polarising filters are the right choice for a sunset, maybe you should get some GND filters for that... From my experiences with buying stuff from Sam, I got really good service when buying even a $8 Nikon lens cap. Maybe it's because you went at a time when the shop was very crowded so the staff were under pressure to be faster in their serving?

I'm a beginner in photography, but I guess I'm no newbie to customer service and satisfaction. Whether the filter is 'right' or 'wrong', I feel even the most unsuitable equipment can be useful in the hands of a user who knows its weakness and can use it to the maximum of its capabilities. Saying 'no one buys this or that' is not a good way of engaging your customers, but saying 'how about you try this size or that size' might be better, it hurts the customer less especially in front of other customers.

If the shop are allowed to be more condescending towards customers buying cheap stuff, then what difference are they from the other shops who are reputed to have lousy service? A good service is what makes the customer feel good from buying at the shop. Anything else implies the service failed to do its job, no matter how difficult the customer is. If the shop can handle a difficult customer, I am sure they will prosper very well for the other less demanding customers will keep coming back. Photography shops or not, they have no excuse to be less nice. Such should be the philosophy of retail service, note that it is still a service.
 

Think as consumers, we buy at places we are comfortable ... we're the 'BOSS' as it's our $$. There're some good shops & some bad ... I dun think John 3:16 falls into the latter. I believe timing, mood and 'chin chai' character of customers plays a part too. I like going there cos when it's MY turn, I get all the help I can with MOST if not all questions. Dun get me wrong, I'm not pro them ... just like the kawan-kawan (fren-fren) & casual attitude. Was once a loyal customer of AP SLS ... they somehow lost that n lose me as well.

Many here with differ opinions and some are trying to impose on others on how they felt abt the shop/staff ... All I can say is, feeling happy & comfortable, just do it or else, look elsewhere. :)
 

I believe timing, mood and 'chin chai' character of customers plays a part too.

ya bro, one trick if I want to buy from J316 is to go there with some kakis, makan n tcss at food court first. then return at about 9pm. the shop would be quite empty and there's no need to wait too long. the worst timing would be from 630-830pm. sometimes its so crowded I cant even walk into the shop.

of course not everyone can afford the time to makan n tcss at funan before buying stuff. like some mentioned here, they just want to pick up the stuff and go without much fuss. well, then they should buy from elsewhere (like I do sometimes when I am in a rush). :)
 

I have been reading about all the postings here and felt compelled to comment about my experience. I have only started photography is a bigger way this year and had purchased eqpt from many of the top shops and has been largely disappointed with the service and experience provided by these shops until I visited John 3:16. Before I continue, I am in no way affiliated to them. I think I have spent many hrs there on each occasion and have visited them on many occasions over this year to give valid views of my experience and observation.

Yes, the shop is crowded all the time and the wait is long. That is not really a fault of theirs. The suggestion that this is created is a farfetched one. I did not see that at all.
There are only 2 full-time staff there and the rest are part-timers and I can see that they are trying their best to serve everybody. They have more than their fair share of trying customers and you can see all sorts including those that are plain unreasonable but I have not seen any rudeness from them. I seen customers being served over 1hr and have all their queries answered only to go to the rival store over 10-20 bucks cheaper. Yes, some of you will comment that this is
the real world but the point is that both buyer and seller have "grievances"so we shouldn't generalize and condemn the shop over 1-2 instances where you have caught them on a bad time.

So far after a few purchases, the experience has been a very pleasant one. On many occasions, they have given me service and support beyond my expectations and I see the same given for many people who came into the shop. I hv seen diffn generation of families going to buy from them and it is amazing to see they can remember what they purchased 5yrs ago!
My dad left us an old Rolleiflex and it is not working. I asked Sam for help and he had that serviced and negotiated a good deal for me. I had a chance to speak to the repairshop and know what they charge. Sam even went the extra mile and help me get the film needed for the camera despite being so busy. This is just one occasion on going the extra mile that I experience.

So far buying from them is a pleasant experience for me and it is an experience why I still go back to them despite the long wait. Some bros here have given their "method" on when to visit the shop and I too have my own. It is no different from buying any other purchases where the shop is so popular.

Some of you will say why bother? Well, I like to have a peace of mind buying from a shop where I know they will helped me when I need help though it takes sometime to do so. The personal touch in servicing customers works for me so we all have our favorites.

Just go down and take another look and observed. It is still one of the most patronised stores. There are many loyal overseas customers as well. If it is so bad as it is painted here, why they continue to be so crowded all the time!

You have to get to know Sam as he likes to joke around and do not mean anything bad. I have seen him giving other suggestions but always end with telling the customer that he will still sell to them if they are not convinced. I wished somebody told me that as I was stucked with some "bad" purchases from shops that only interested to make money.

PS : I am not a big customer if some of you thinks that I get good service because I spend a fortune there.
 

ok

i hv finally visited this John 3:16 on Friday afternoon

there were 2 humans in the shop when i stepped in; think they were both guys, at least the one who served me was

he was very polite... when i stepped in the shop, he seemed to stop whatever he was doing (with some customers) and approached me asking my reason to be there

i asked for "the cult" nikon 55-200mm f4-5.6 DX non VR of which his reply was that he has no ready stock and perhaps nikon has no longer the non VR version

still, he agreed to no end that the non VR is the version of 55-200mm f4-5.6 DX to buy saying that he will call up his supplier this coming monday and that i wud be kept informed

first impression was more than pleasant

let's see on monday
 

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