Is this street ?


sorry... i still don't understand why UWA or photography must got close, must have leading line, must have subject must follow rules of 3rd, must properly balance and expose....:dunno:
 

dannyfoxy said:
sorry... i still don't understand why UWA or photography must got close, must have leading line, must have subject must follow rules of 3rd, must properly balance and expose....:dunno:
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can't understand first point also, because it is not necessary. photography is not dead, but you need technical knowledge to achieve what you want to get.

for leading line, subject, rules of 3rd.. frankly speaking, for subject, if your photograph don't have a subject, i don't know why you are shooting. there better be something in it for viewers to want to see it. otherwise, best keep it to yourself because only you can understand what's in it for you.

for the rest, these are just guides to compose a photo. if you can do without this guide and still achieve something great and interesting (like some of the links i have posted up), that's fine and dandy. if you can't, then keeping these in mind can be useful.

for balance in a photo, if you shove everything to the left, then what's the point of having the right? if you shove everything on top, what's the point of having the bottom? it is simple logic. just like how a person with an overwide back and chicken legs looks ridiculous (think johnny bravo).

for exposure, as long as you achieve what you set out to do, it's your choice. of course if you set out to overexpose when it really doesn't work, then it's also your choice, and it is also everybody else's choice to say that they don't like it.
 

neoro said:
Dear TS,

My apologies for causing great confusion to my comments made.

Allow me to rephrase my comments.

IMHO your pictures could improve by having your subjects being more closely mixed or communicated into the background, so that your pictures presents itself with a story to unfold, something we see daily, however un-noticed. As you have a lot of depth of field, composing with the subject and background is essential.

On the application of your micro 4/3s on a 7mm - I think getting closer would make an the composed picture better controlled, as you are having people as your subjects, sometimes putting them too far at the corners will make them look distorted (this of course opens up another room for creativity).

of course its subjective on how street should be shot, but that would be how I define it with a Widey lens like yours...
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do you own or used ultra wide before? do you know when you get close to human subject how u going to handle the perspective distortion on human??? composition is not about getting close, UWA is not just for showing dramatic distance effect.
 

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dannyfoxy said:
do you own or used ultra wide before? do you know when you get close to human subject how u going to handle the perspective distortion on human??? composition is not about getting close, UWA is not just for showing dramatic distance effect.
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I commented to the shots you shared using your UWA. I guess I do not own anything wider than 21mm equivalent on a 135format however yes, at 21mm I should have tiny pieces of experience shooting close to the minimal focusing distance.

Perhaps, the 2cents wasn't as clear as I wanted to state, in that I shall retract all of them, if its irrelevant and plz sincere apologies for any confusion caused, after all its a saturday night....
 

seem like Ken rockwell got many fans in this forum. :dunno:
 

agree it is not always about being close when using UWA. there are many aspects of a good UWA shot, as I mentioned.
still, getting closer to a subject may improve the beach photos, if other aspects are lacking, like sense of dimension, scale or using distortion to advantage.
but some of the flickr shots are not exactly good UWA shots though....(as in not something that will captivate or at least interest the viewer or well-composed)
 

rokieto said:
agree it is not always about being close when using UWA. there are many aspects of a good UWA shot, as I mentioned.
still, getting closer to a subject may improve the beach photos, if other aspects are lacking, like sense of dimension, scale or using distortion to advantage.
but some of the flickr shots are not exactly good UWA shots though....(as in not something that will captivate or at least interest the viewer or well-composed)
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any sample from you that I can learn from? I don't see you post photo.
 

dannyfoxy said:
















CC153898 by dannyfoxy, on Flickr
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for the purists...no. street photography should be shot in the street.

for the non-purists, street photography can include shots in public places e.g. beaches. check out the works of narelle autio, for example.
 

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frankly, I don't like to use UWA or intend to buy one that most people hardly use,
but at the wider-end the basics are the same as UWA, just that UWA is alot wider & more extreme in the foreground vs background (e.g. far objects become very tiny, while the foreground subject is much bigger, distortions ,etc etc....)http://www.flickr.com/groups/shootingtolearn/discuss/72157603605526860/

if use UWA too often, or for shooting people, you will find the distortion is not ideal for events or people shots (generally)....or can be quite hard to compose multiple moving subjects (chaotic).....I mostly use my 17-40 & 70-200 on APS-C body & don't like to carry more than 2 lenses.

for UWA people shots, most suited for those more exaggerated or extreme expression e.g. sinister looking, comical looking, funny shots, etc.

the most extreme would be using fisheye...............ask yourself, how many people shots or your favorite photos are by fisheye lens?try this: http://www.flickr.com/photos/pallman33/5275666812/in/pool-36476633@N00

for UWA, if you ask me, some of these flickrs UWA shots are good examples for reference :
http://www.flickr.com/groups/ultrawideangle/pool/
although most of them are not people shots.
to me, the most important thing is...........composition & angle
 

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Royale With Cheese said:
didnt know shooting street is so technical :think::sweat:
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i also don't know.. so far those street photos master all using M9... more like capturing the sould of street but not technical at all :D
 

dannyfoxy said:
i also don't know.. so far those street photos master all using M9... more like capturing the sould of street but not technical at all :D
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when you ask what is good or not good, it becomes technical....in order to analyse

but if you already know the technical or theory, or come with experience, you just shoot better photos.....

just compare your photos, your favorite shots vs your average shot, you will learn why (technically or artistically)
 

dannyfoxy said:
i also don't know.. so far those street photos master all using M9... more like capturing the sould of street but not technical at all :D
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really? Didnt know use M9 can capture soul of street :think:
 

a beach is not a street. But since the moderators have not moved your photos to " beach candids", who cares?
 

dannyfoxy said:
i also don't know.. so far those street photos master all using M9... more like capturing the sould of street but not technical at all :D
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Wow... I need to get a M9 quick... Didt know too that it will capture the soul of street....
 

 

 

 

what i mean is a beach is literally not a street (pun intended as per title of thread)...but the definition of street photography cannot be taken literally is what i am saying. Obviously TS's beach shots are classified as SP unless moderators go on a banal launch of redundant sub classifications such as "toilet candids" and "beach candids".

I think the answer is obvious for those in the know. Such questions are best kept in the reference section of the archives..
 

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