Yes, you can AF before you start... but kids do run around but I guess videos might be more forgiving.
Is movie mode in a dslr important to you?
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Yes, you can AF before you start... but kids do run around but I guess videos might be more forgiving.
People have already tried to make a movie with D50 which barely gives 3fps. Nikon must have been inspired by that.
Then again, people have also tried to make movie with 1DsMkII.
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No one here is bothered by the video function in itself. If you didn't catch the drift of the thread, it's more in line with people's expectations.
HD is HD; it has nothing to do with audio. HD is a format, just like on the still side we have 135 format, 120 format and so on. HD is a high definition digital video format. Then there's HDV (1920x1080 most commonly), SD (standard def - 768x576). These are purely picture formats and have nothing to do with sound. Having mono input does not make your HD any less HD.
With audio, there are factors within itself - compression, bit/sampling rate and such. That is a separate thing.
engrmariano
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i dont even use the video mode of my PnS.:sticktong
lennyl
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To have usable video on a DSLR, I think a few more things are required :
Somehow I see Sony doing this before Nikon.
And I have something that does all the above - it's called a Canon HF-100. It handles better than a DSLR or P&S for movie taking too. I tried to convince my wife to use her P&S for movies, and after a few tries she made me buy the camcorder
- AF in video mode, of course
- Articulated LCD
- Stereo sound, or external mic input (clips on to hot shoe)
- Better than 5 mins maximum record time
- AVCHD instead of Motion JPEG
- True 1080p mode
Somehow I see Sony doing this before Nikon.
And I have something that does all the above - it's called a Canon HF-100. It handles better than a DSLR or P&S for movie taking too. I tried to convince my wife to use her P&S for movies, and after a few tries she made me buy the camcorder
I would have some use for the Movie mode on DSLR......
I'm into Scuba Diving.... and have been into U/W photography & video for the last 3yrs. I stick with Canon all these years because their Movies are in Motion Jpeg (AVI).... which could be made into DvD video.
I agree that Professional Photographers won't be bother by their DSLR having a video mode.... but for ppl like me, it would be for the best of both world..... I could shoot photo with my DSLR (Macro) + video clip for my DvD. The way I'm doing it now with my PowerShot PnS camera. :thumbsup:
If only I could afford a U/W casing for the camera :sweat:
To each.... his/her own view :angel:
I'm into Scuba Diving.... and have been into U/W photography & video for the last 3yrs. I stick with Canon all these years because their Movies are in Motion Jpeg (AVI).... which could be made into DvD video.
I agree that Professional Photographers won't be bother by their DSLR having a video mode.... but for ppl like me, it would be for the best of both world..... I could shoot photo with my DSLR (Macro) + video clip for my DvD. The way I'm doing it now with my PowerShot PnS camera. :thumbsup:
If only I could afford a U/W casing for the camera :sweat:
To each.... his/her own view :angel:
To have usable video on a DSLR, I think a few more things are required :
- AF in video mode, of course
- Articulated LCD
- Stereo sound, or external mic input (clips on to hot shoe)
- Better than 5 mins maximum record time
- AVCHD instead of Motion JPEG
- True 1080p mode
Somehow I see Sony doing this before Nikon.
And I have something that does all the above - it's called a Canon HF-100. It handles better than a DSLR or P&S for movie taking too. I tried to convince my wife to use her P&S for movies, and after a few tries she made me buy the camcorder
Handling yes. But in terms of quality I don't think so. Just think why you get a DSLR instead of a PnS. The much bigger sensor, DOF, interchangeable lens, way way better high ISO. The same reasons people get a DSLR instead of PnS for still pictures will be the same when it comes to video quality. I get this feeling Nikon is targeting this to the student filmmaker or high end amateur who cares about quality instead of the average consumer. The price alone will put the average consumers off and manual focus and the 5mins HD recording time is a non-issue for the former.
liquidityzero
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Just my 2 cents worth...no matter how limited Nikon's movie function is, it's still a first step through the door, and pretty sure Canon and the other brands will follow suit as well...
What they have done is to simply show consumers that the lenses we own do not just conform to still image photography, to use them for videography is a very drool-worthy idea. Manufacturers may have already known this for years but refrained from doing so cuz it will just eat into their camcorder sales. Nikon does not manufacture camcorders and with nothing to lose, implemented this feature, so it will make other brands re-think about their consumer approach. Anyways, Canon users will ultimately get a better movie implementation in their DSLRs in the future, given their extensive knowledge and experience with consumer camcorders.
Who knows, in the future we will be seeing more hybrid DSLR/camcorder devices with the same lens mount too. I think the future is just so exciting for consumer photography and videography, and at the end of the day as consumers, we all stand to benefit the most.
What they have done is to simply show consumers that the lenses we own do not just conform to still image photography, to use them for videography is a very drool-worthy idea. Manufacturers may have already known this for years but refrained from doing so cuz it will just eat into their camcorder sales. Nikon does not manufacture camcorders and with nothing to lose, implemented this feature, so it will make other brands re-think about their consumer approach. Anyways, Canon users will ultimately get a better movie implementation in their DSLRs in the future, given their extensive knowledge and experience with consumer camcorders.
Who knows, in the future we will be seeing more hybrid DSLR/camcorder devices with the same lens mount too. I think the future is just so exciting for consumer photography and videography, and at the end of the day as consumers, we all stand to benefit the most.
Having it is better then not having it thast for sure lol.
That said its true nikon has nothing to lose implementing it. But a video mode that cant af while recording is not very useful considering the dov for slr are really little. A little movement forward and backward and its blur. Personally I think if all the makers were to implement this, Sony will surely win lol. Their current implementation of AF on Live view is probably the best. Now is just to dump that image onto the card. On a side note sony uses a alternative smaller sensor for live view so maybe their quality will suffer against say canon or nikon version of main sensor live view.
That said its true nikon has nothing to lose implementing it. But a video mode that cant af while recording is not very useful considering the dov for slr are really little. A little movement forward and backward and its blur. Personally I think if all the makers were to implement this, Sony will surely win lol. Their current implementation of AF on Live view is probably the best. Now is just to dump that image onto the card. On a side note sony uses a alternative smaller sensor for live view so maybe their quality will suffer against say canon or nikon version of main sensor live view.
no need, can buy handycam or XL camcorderbut if ur traveling and want to make it simple, just buy compact camera lol!
Why would one need to get/buy another handycam or compact camera when you can get it all in one, less to carry and have much better quality to boot!
Now you can shoot UW documentaries with that. ;p
liquidityzero
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This is an interesting forum post to read http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=29133792
I think the D90 with the lack of AF will greatly spark the interest of apsiring indie film-makers, and creative individuals who are willing to squeeze everything out of this little DSLR, and for a few months we should be seeing some crappy homemade movies, but also some creative gems from talented film-makers who are able to pan, zoom and manual focus to great effect. These people may be hobbyist photographers, not be trained in film school, but who knows maybe some may cross over to the film industry and go on to build a career from there. Likewise for videographers who will pick up this camera and go on to build a solid portfolio of still images. In any case, this camera can bridge the gap between the 2 different fields of work, more importantly this will be as close as consumers can get for understanding more about film-making techniques and equipment given the slight similarities between the D90 and the traditional movie camera, for a very little amount of money.
I think the D90 with the lack of AF will greatly spark the interest of apsiring indie film-makers, and creative individuals who are willing to squeeze everything out of this little DSLR, and for a few months we should be seeing some crappy homemade movies, but also some creative gems from talented film-makers who are able to pan, zoom and manual focus to great effect. These people may be hobbyist photographers, not be trained in film school, but who knows maybe some may cross over to the film industry and go on to build a career from there. Likewise for videographers who will pick up this camera and go on to build a solid portfolio of still images. In any case, this camera can bridge the gap between the 2 different fields of work, more importantly this will be as close as consumers can get for understanding more about film-making techniques and equipment given the slight similarities between the D90 and the traditional movie camera, for a very little amount of money.
The Dry Box
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My hobby is photography. Give me a basic manual focus only digital camera with good iso performence and I'll be very happy.
Motion capture is a different ballgame altogether, it's not important, but I know there are people especially parents and travellers who like this feature.
Motion capture is a different ballgame altogether, it's not important, but I know there are people especially parents and travellers who like this feature.
Pablo
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Hi there,
My thoughts on having movie mode on a DSLR ? .... Ok if that is what you want and can use the low quality...go for it :bsmilie:
It has been for some time that if you want good movie quality you buy a movie cam...
If you want good stills, you buy a good p&s or DSLR.
Canon,Panasonic,Sony etc have been happy to keep it that way for a long time.
It means 2 sales to them if you wanted good both.
As times progresses the gap between the two have become smaller and one day there will be just one that excells at both.
But it will be a long way off...consumer demand will shorten the time gap though and companies will have to make half the sales (so to speak).
I think that pressure by companies to keep the two apart is reflected in the ruling of at what point (resolution wise in video mode) a p&s camera can be only marketed as a movie camera.
One day in the future there will no doubt be a compact camera/phone/ipod/gps/gigacounter/coffee maker with an L series lens that can fit in your pocket :bsmilie:
Any thoughts on this ?
Cheers
My thoughts on having movie mode on a DSLR ? .... Ok if that is what you want and can use the low quality...go for it :bsmilie:
It has been for some time that if you want good movie quality you buy a movie cam...
If you want good stills, you buy a good p&s or DSLR.
Canon,Panasonic,Sony etc have been happy to keep it that way for a long time.
It means 2 sales to them if you wanted good both.
As times progresses the gap between the two have become smaller and one day there will be just one that excells at both.
But it will be a long way off...consumer demand will shorten the time gap though and companies will have to make half the sales (so to speak).
I think that pressure by companies to keep the two apart is reflected in the ruling of at what point (resolution wise in video mode) a p&s camera can be only marketed as a movie camera.
One day in the future there will no doubt be a compact camera/phone/ipod/gps/gigacounter/coffee maker with an L series lens that can fit in your pocket :bsmilie:
Any thoughts on this ?
Cheers
Benosaurous
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quick reply staying with the topic, "Is movie mode in a dslr important to you?"
no, i am buying pro camera to take wonderful photos that a pns cannot achieve.
If i need a video recorder, i will get a specialise one. Technology is indeed advancing with now multi functions electronics are becoming common. It is a bonus for electronics to have multi functions, but think back when i had my canon video years back, it can also take photos with 20x optical zoom, but the quality sux, end up i've never use that photo function ever since.
So my point is, if the quality is not desirable, i rather they focus on what they can do best (like working on better iso and better lens) than wasting time to fit in an additional function. All the R&D costs will eventually be affecting the consumer pockets!
no, i am buying pro camera to take wonderful photos that a pns cannot achieve.
If i need a video recorder, i will get a specialise one. Technology is indeed advancing with now multi functions electronics are becoming common. It is a bonus for electronics to have multi functions, but think back when i had my canon video years back, it can also take photos with 20x optical zoom, but the quality sux, end up i've never use that photo function ever since.
So my point is, if the quality is not desirable, i rather they focus on what they can do best (like working on better iso and better lens) than wasting time to fit in an additional function. All the R&D costs will eventually be affecting the consumer pockets!
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