... plus her uniform (left and right pocket) can put in pencils and pens.
don't know for what?
For drawing on enemy face once they are down.
Hong Kong Police - Airport Security Unit
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For drawing on enemy face once they are down.
zac08
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Thanks for the correction on which Conference.
Dunno why but our SG's police force isn't on the use of HP rounds... I'm not a cop but I learn some when I handled some weapons before...
.357's are powerful ones... even the .40 SW round is a powerful round as it is used with a larger chambered round crimped down to accept the smaller calibre of bullet.
I think s'pore's combi of 2xMP5 + 2x SAR21 is pretty good actually.
Airport has the passenger area and open space as well. Given a MP5 of range <100m, you can't hit sh*t without hitting unwanted target. This is the time when SAR21 comes into place, it can hit with pin point accuracy with a good rifleman at <400m.
standard 5.56mm ball maybe too strong, then use frangible rounds lor. Or sub-sonic rounds.
Airport has the passenger area and open space as well. Given a MP5 of range <100m, you can't hit sh*t without hitting unwanted target. This is the time when SAR21 comes into place, it can hit with pin point accuracy with a good rifleman at <400m.
standard 5.56mm ball maybe too strong, then use frangible rounds lor. Or sub-sonic rounds.
zac08
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MP5's can hit anything under 100m easily when you are proficient with the weapon. And tat's on single shot selection, not auto nor the 3 rd burst.
As for the SAR's, well... it's a toy gun, IMPO. And do you know the drop of the 5.56 at 400m? It's more than 1200mm... how can u still maintain accuracy then?? Frangible rounds? I believe there is ONLY 1 maker which makes such rounds, Glaser Blue. Sub-sonic rounds do not reduce impact, they just travel slower and prevent the sonic boom to be used in conjunction with silenced weapons.
This is way OT liao. Mebbe we can carry on the discussion on weapons in the Kopitiam area?
No. The Hong Kong police uses one autoloading shotgun, the Benelli M1 Super 90. Do not confuse autoloading with automatic. Autoloading means manual operation (pumping) is not required to operate the action, except when loading in a new round. Besides automatic operation requiring an autoloading mechanism, both are otherwise mutually exclusive. Automatic means multiple rounds can be fired with a single pull of the trigger, while semi-automatic means you have to pull the trigger as many times as the number of rounds you want to fire. The Benelli M1 Super 90 is semi-automatic, where the bolt locks in position after inertia from the round fired previously forces it back, working the action. A second pull on the trigger is required to unlock the bolt, and for the bolt to discharge the round in the chamber.
Override2Zion
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Wah this sounds very counterstrike leh, spray logo on enemy after you take them down. Super humiliating. lolx
So, wad u want to be the coolest of all?
A battalion of patrolling soldiers with Anti-Tank weapons and patrol the place like there's enemies at every corner? :sweatsm:
The one with the HK police is an old version of an MP5 with aimpoint scope attached to a low mount rail, the one with Singapore police is the latest version using light weight materials on the lower reciever.
ICS airsoft made in taiwan are also good. HK is the best place to buy airsoft guns.
Anyway my contribution to this toys.
Is that a Grenade launcher I see? :thumbsup:
SAR21? I'm not very sure. But I do know that 1 grenade + spray sure clear a room. :thumbsup:MP5's can hit anything under 100m easily when you are proficient with the weapon. And tat's on single shot selection, not auto nor the 3 rd burst.
As for the SAR's, well... it's a toy gun, IMPO. And do you know the drop of the 5.56 at 400m? It's more than 1200mm... how can u still maintain accuracy then?? Frangible rounds? I believe there is ONLY 1 maker which makes such rounds, Glaser Blue. Sub-sonic rounds do not reduce impact, they just travel slower and prevent the sonic boom to be used in conjunction with silenced weapons.
This is way OT liao. Mebbe we can carry on the discussion on weapons in the Kopitiam area?
The weapons are a CAR-15 variant with Picatinny Rail Integration System (RIS) and accessories, M14 variant with accessories, and an MP5SD-N.
reachme2003
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i am sure that tactical team does not adopt such 'spray and clear' tactics in most situations. imagine calling themselves tactical team when no specfic tactic adopted for each situation.
QUOTE=jsbn;3163055]SAR21? I'm not very sure. But I do know that 1 grenade + spray sure clear a room. :thumbsup:[/QUOTE]
QUOTE=jsbn;3163055]SAR21? I'm not very sure. But I do know that 1 grenade + spray sure clear a room. :thumbsup:[/QUOTE]
Hmm... Lucky I'm not in any of the Special Ops/Tactics Units during my NS and ICT time. Just a grunt. :bsmilie:
Our tactics? Enemy hiding in civilian hideout and firing at our Section? My Sgt just tell me, "Go lob 1." Its "one round away" frm me and after dat, grenade-spray everything. :thumbsup:
No single fly or cockroach escapes my section's tactics. This is our tactic. 1 situation fits all. :bsmilie: Complete annilihation.
Specialised sniper units (like the US Marine's Scout/Snipers) and SF units trained in unconventional warfare came about because the regular army simply isn't versatile or precise enough in hitting pinpoint targets
Post Vietnam war stats for the US Army still show that regular infantry score one kill with every 16,000-18,000 rounds fired, while Army snipers score a kill for ever 3-6 rounds fired.MP5's can hit anything under 100m easily when you are proficient with the weapon. And tat's on single shot selection, not auto nor the 3 rd burst.
As for the SAR's, well... it's a toy gun, IMPO. And do you know the drop of the 5.56 at 400m? It's more than 1200mm... how can u still maintain accuracy then?? Frangible rounds? I believe there is ONLY 1 maker which makes such rounds, Glaser Blue. Sub-sonic rounds do not reduce impact, they just travel slower and prevent the sonic boom to be used in conjunction with silenced weapons.
This is way OT liao. Mebbe we can carry on the discussion on weapons in the Kopitiam area?
My bad... MP5 is hard to hit >100m I mean.
>1200mm? cannot be la, but...there are so many marksman around... that shows that man are capable of shooting well enough.
Frangible rounds, singapore have a lot mah.
1.2 kilometers is already a pretty tall order for any military sniper around the world. Army snipers in Iraq give each other a pat on the back when scoring kills at 900-1000 yards using 7.62 match grade ammunition. That's around 810-900m. 1500-2000 yards with the .50cal Barrett M80 is the stuff of legends there. I don't think Singapore has that many, if any, who are capable of hitting targets at that range with consistency. Police snipers are trained for much shorter distances, albeit with much greater accuracy.
Frangible rounds aren't usually used for situations other than where the operator is loaded with SMGs and pistols in confined spaces, like air marshals in an airliner. Because of the characteristics of frangible rounds, their weight and penetrative power, I imagine doctrines and tactics change completely, when those bullets are used. The lighter weight of frangible rounds means that the bullets are much less accurate, owning to greater susceptibility to wind, air resistance and gravity (when travelling at an elevation with lower inertia than a heavier bullet). All these factors mean a much shorter effective range. The lighter weight also means stopping power is much lower than with normal ball ammunition, because less kinetic energy is transferred into the body.
Their whole design and purpose also means that their use in a situation where multiple objects are present in the field of fire multiplies the amount of cover that the enemy can use several times over. Benches, rubbish bins, chairs, tables.. all the objects that would otherwise be easier penetrable by standard ammunition becomes uncertain, because if the bullet doesn't fragment on impact, they might not have the weight or kinetic energy to continue going straight through.
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