High megapixel size and handshake

[longkangman]

Try shoot with mirror reflex lens you know what is going on. :dunno:

YMMV

 

[zoossh]

no matter what you call it, it is still user problem

i disagree. the photographer, the equipment, the subject, the timing/lighting all interwined. the photographer can be strongly limited if their equipment, subject, timing/lighting are all wrong, and can only spend great efforts in making the best out of what is available.

 

[zoossh]

does anyone with a D200 or D2x also own a D80?
i was trying out a D80 and kind of make me feel that it is less prone to handshake than
my D200..

any seconder?

i think it all depends, different people are used to different weight.

 

[ortega]

i disagree. the photographer, the equipment, the subject, the timing/lighting all interwined. the photographer can be strongly limited if their equipment, subject, timing/lighting are all wrong, and can only spend great efforts in making the best out of what is available.

in this case (camera shake), user should know his equipment and what he needs to do to counter the problems that the user would face with his equipment.

 

[zoossh]

in this case (camera shake), user should know his equipment and what he needs to do to counter the problems that the user would face with his equipment.

by knowing how and what equipment to upgrade to is also a way of dealing with the problem. but of cos that is more costly than knowing and being able to do it via other solutions using existing equipments.

 

[ortega]

by knowing how and what equipment to upgrade to is also a way of dealing with the problem. but of cos that is more costly than knowing and being able to do it via other solutions using existing equipments.

so you agree that it is a user problem?

 

[smallaperture]

Sorry to sound a little nitpicking... the statement was


If it reads "higher the MP, higher the chance to detect handshake", I would probably agree.

I consider a "good shot" to be a satisfactory photo taken and view as a picture/print at a given size

Furthermore, if you consider the difference in pitch of a 6MP sensor (0.0078mm) and 10MP sensor (0.0061mm), the difference in motion blur or handshake to be not detected at all on a 6MP sensor but to be detected by a 10MP sensor is minimal. That means that the movement of the projected image during exposure on the sensor got to be <0.0078mm (for it not to be detected by 6MP senosr) but >0.0061mm (to be detected by a 10MP sensor). Therefore, I think chances are the motion is gonna be detected by both sensors or totally not detected any of the sensors. I think it boils down more on technique rather than pixel count. The difference, IMO, is too small.

And to put it in another terms, 1 pixel on the 6MP sensor is rounghly 1.3 pixel on the 10MP sensor. Handshake that causes a blur that is represent by a few pixel on the 10MP sensor is gonna be detect also on the 6MP sensor. Technically, only blur that is <3 pixel wide on the 10MP is not going to be detected by the 6MP sensor.

Quite technical, but very well written.:thumbsup: So, actually the difference is quite marginal. This is what I expect, as the diff between 6 and 10Mp might seem big, but in terms of linear dimension of the pixel is less significant.

 

[zoossh]

so you agree that it is a user problem?

no. i dun think the inability of a user to deal with the limitation of an equipment can be regarded as purely or predominantly a user problem. at least it cannot be done without acknowledging the limitation of the equipment, or the difficulty or the hassle of the way it needed to be used.

 

[ortega]

no. i dun think the inability of a user to deal with the limitation of an equipment can be regarded as purely or predominantly a user problem. at least it cannot be done without acknowledging the limitation of the equipment, or the difficulty or the hassle of the way it needed to be used.

if you see it that way, then it is up to you.
cheers

 

[zoossh]

if you see it that way, then it is up to you.
cheers

as said, the ability of a user or the proportion of users being able to handle an equipment well depends very much on the design of the equipment. there are always some designs that makes it easier for the user and some that don't.

i wasn't nitpicking on you. you can have your own discipline in wanting the equipment that gives you that professional results despite of the difficulty of using it, and sets yourself at fault if you can't. but passing off just another forumer as being a user at fault is not fair becos a lot of things works in conjunction with each other, not just the user. when features of a camera makes it difficult for a new learner to use, we are not blaming the equipment, just identifying the features to suit (or does not suit) the user. not everyone can be a marksman, even with practice, likewise, there will be ppl who have different handheld ability. just becos one have good techniques thru talent and practice, and is able to handheld at 4 secs, he shouldn't be expecting all others to be able to do it at 2 secs and pass off the others as failures.

likewise there are different equipments that have different limitations and different abilities. some make it a higher resolution sensor that gives you bigger print at the same stability, some makes it less blurred given the same handshake. some are lighter for a person who is more stable handling a lighter camera, some are heavier for a person who is more stable handling a heavier camera. if you only see the user as the only problem, that will become a user problem, becos there is a failure to identify that improvements can be made on the equipment as much as it can be made on the user. why just colored the "user' red colored, i see that "without acknowledging the limitation of the equipment, or the difficulty or the hassle of the way it needed to be used" can be colored red as well too while the user part remained black. contrary to purist opinions that only the photographer matters, i strongly believe that equipments can help to a certain extent, and good photographers can be incapacitated by the lack of suitable equipments too or can find that better equipments gives him more ease and versatibility to achieve his creative vision or to explore newer grounds.

i hope you understand this is just a friendly discussion. i dun intend to make it a fierce debate and i appreciate your cheers. i just thought that it will be more healthy to recognise that equipments does matter and how it matters should be discussed, in conjunction to how a user should cope with, or could have another equipment that require him to cope less with that and spend better energy and mood to focus on other non-technical aspects.

 

[ortega]

I would have to disagree, but it is OK

the camera is just a tool, the photographer will have to learn to use that tool.

just like a paint brush

back to cameras and camera shake, if the user knows his equipment well
he wiill be able to "see" the resulting image before he presses the shutter.
he will also be able to know what can go wrong and counter it by other means.

e.g: if i see a nice scene, but the light is really bad, i will try again another day another time.