hi new guy here intending to go for k10d, a few queries


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dnaxe my comment is as Erenon has stated. It relates to your earlier posts where you felt that changing lenses is troublesome and that an all in one zoom (aka superzoom) is the answer.

Unfortunately, even Equatorer who has not even got his camera appears to buy-in to the same thinking that an all-in-one lens is a good idea.

I think as photographers, we all want the best quality images we can get from our cameras. I have nothing against zooms lenses, or superzooms for that matter. Just as there are good zoom lenses, there are also so-so prime lenses too. I've had the chance to own or use many lenses, superzooms included. Heck, I've right now got a manual focus Tokina 20-200mm, one of the earliest superzooms among my lens collection.

Yes it covers a useful focal length (less on the wide angle because of the 1.5x crop factor), and I don't need to change lenses BUT here some of the issues associated with such a lens. It's not light and small, large filter size :bigeyes:, min focusing distance is longer than 2m (like a long tele), there is a tinge of purple fringing at the long end. Distortion wise, I'll bet if I shot something like a brick wall head-on, I'm sure I can see something. The laws of optics and physics don't change so the lens designers have to make some compromises to get the wide zoom range.

Why did I buy it? Because it was selling at $45 and not $450. :bsmilie: I do use it those times I'm lazy to carry a few lenses. In my opinion, superzooms only work best outdoors in bright light. They are not as versatile as lens makers would like us to believe.

Lest we get hung up too much on equipment, photography requires both a creative eye (which can be learnt) but also a degree of technical competence. Changing lenses isn't so difficult and the sooner it becomes second nature, the greater the opportunity for great pictures. :)
 

dnaxe my comment is as Erenon has stated. It relates to your earlier posts where you felt that changing lenses is troublesome and that an all in one zoom (aka superzoom) is the answer.

Then I suggest you came to a conclusion which is unsupported by my statements. I propose that you were blinded by your apparent anti-superzoom sentiment.

I say you are biased as I never even brought the superzoom up - the OP talked about the 18-125, of course, but that's only marginally "superzoom" by today's standards, and I only talked about a 16-50... You brought up the whole superzoom thing, and proceeded to slam the entire concept.

I felt that your comments were unjustified (because superzooms have their place) and stated accordingly. I don't think you actually even read my response properly - because I said (and you quoted) "So yes, it's great to be able to change lenses, because of the limitations of current superzooms, but also yes - it's a pain."

Since we're on the topic, and in response to what was implied in your post, I should also say that you can be creatively and technically excellent even while using an 18-250.


I think this is all rather irrelevant to the OP. The query was whether changing lenses was a problem, and inconvenient, and I said (and have always continued to maintain) that it is problematic and inconvenient. Of course, no-one has to agree with me ;)
 

Ok ok.. I'm looking at the 18-50/2.8 from Sigma myself. But between my baby showing up in November and the kit lens and prime been in the same category, i can't justify the 800plus oz bucks. (here in perth).

Haha.

My issue is really whether I will stay with the pentax past december - I'll need to get a new camera then (will be giving this one away, and i'll be fine giving away the entire set), and at that stage I'll consider the all available options.

The lack of a nikon 16-50 2.8/IS is what will hold me back from a D300 ;)

Soooo.. haven't bought the DA* 16-50 -quite- yet... (helps that it's not available anyway).
 

Haha.

Soooo.. haven't bought the DA* 16-50 -quite- yet... (helps that it's not available anyway).

It's here already, and you should be able to buy it at the COMEX show ;)
 

It's here already, and you should be able to buy it at the COMEX show ;)

lol.

Then I'll be using Pentax for life! ;)

Sooo - anyone has expected cost? :D
 

Then I suggest you came to a conclusion which is unsupported by my statements. I propose that you were blinded by your apparent anti-superzoom sentiment.

I say you are biased as I never even brought the superzoom up - the OP talked about the 18-125, of course, but that's only marginally "superzoom" by today's standards, and I only talked about a 16-50... You brought up the whole superzoom thing, and proceeded to slam the entire concept.

I felt that your comments were unjustified (because superzooms have their place) and stated accordingly. I don't think you actually even read my response properly - because I said (and you quoted) "So yes, it's great to be able to change lenses, because of the limitations of current superzooms, but also yes - it's a pain."

Since we're on the topic, and in response to what was implied in your post, I should also say that you can be creatively and technically excellent even while using an 18-250.

I think this is all rather irrelevant to the OP. The query was whether changing lenses was a problem, and inconvenient, and I said (and have always continued to maintain) that it is problematic and inconvenient. Of course, no-one has to agree with me ;)

dnaxe, go and read your earlier posts, like #39 & #43. I guess it is convenient for you to label me as being anti-superzoom when I am actually not. You feel that changing lenses is problematic and inconvenient. That's your opinion, and sure, no one has to agree with you.

A few others and I feel the issue of changing lenses isn't as problematic and inconvenient as you state and would like to allay any concerns to the OP or those new to DSLRs of this. You're entitled to your opinion so let's keep it at that. I don't wish to see this thread degenerate further. If you feel unhappy by my posts, let me apologise now.
 

dnaxe, go and read your earlier posts, like #39 & #43.

I have. You want to do a textual analysis? :p I maintain that I'm not actually in favour of superzooms in this present day and age beyond being clear that they have a place.

A few others and I feel the issue of changing lenses isn't as problematic and inconvenient as you state and would like to allay any concerns to the OP or those new to DSLRs of this. You're entitled to your opinion so let's keep it at that.

I completely agree.

I don't wish to see this thread degenerate further. If you feel unhappy by my posts, let me apologise now.

Haha. Why would you think I was unhappy? No problem at all. I hope you weren't offended by my posts? I do sincerely apologize if so... :heart:

I think a robust exchange of views never hurt anyone!
 

travel zoom is a paradox for every forum.. just a matter of individual preference of quality or convenience i think, nvm, the best solution is just convince urself while using what u have...

btw, i heard tamron released a sp 17-50 2.8 for pentax? can it be a cheap replacement for 16-50* ? the 2.8 is really attractive
 

Aiya never mind la

I am antisuperzoom, all the people who disagree can PM me =D =D =D

P.S. I'm serious!
 

i dun like superzooms too.....
 

Aiya never mind la

I am antisuperzoom, all the people who disagree can PM me =D =D =D

P.S. I'm serious!

Haaa.. actually, I am also an anti-superzoom. But we better not spell it out so clearly. Certainly there are some of those 'niches' superzoom users who love their wonder super lens. Wonder super lens and no need to change lens because of pain or troublesome.. One lens fit everything. ;p

cheerss...
 

As in, yar, NOT that superzooms don't have their place in photography, they do

But frankly if the optical quality sacrifices can be viewed on a websized picture, like I always feel

Then best not to use it too much, unless you really love it

Sorta like a jack of all trades master of none

I'd rather use my 10-20 for everything, frankly, but that's because i'm a WA whore
 

actually there is one super zoom out there that is pretty good IMHO.

The canon 24-105 f4 IS on a full-frame body. That I think covers of 95% of what I want to shoot when travelling.
 

BTW, how is the current pricing of the K10D.

Wonder how much the 50-135mm will cost...
 

BTW, how is the current pricing of the K10D.

Wonder how much the 50-135mm will cost...

The pricing for K10D is quite stable, not much changes, around $1250.

I'm guessing the 50-135mm around $1500-1600.
 

BTW, how is the current pricing of the K10D.

Wonder how much the 50-135mm will cost...

Just got to the COMEX tomorrow and you'll find out ;)
 

actually there is one super zoom out there that is pretty good IMHO.

The canon 24-105 f4 IS on a full-frame body. That I think covers of 95% of what I want to shoot when travelling.

If you like 24-105 range, you can try the Tamron 24-135 or Simga 24-135. Both are decent lenses too.
 

actually there is one super zoom out there that is pretty good IMHO.

The canon 24-105 f4 IS on a full-frame body. That I think covers of 95% of what I want to shoot when travelling.

For a crop pentax body I think the (almost but not quite) equivalent is the 17-70 sigma
 

eh.. how to compare sigma 17-70 and tamron 17-50 2.8? both seem to have decent performance
 

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