Here comes Nikon D200... finally a reality

[litefoot]

who needs fullframe (unless if you are a wide angle NUT) when all you get are images with soft corners and exaggerated dust bunnies? go check out those 5D image samples on dpreview and you guys will know what I mean.

If you are referring to the bunnies on your censor, it doesn't matter which lens on your body. Consistently you get them the same size, shape and what have you. Its weird to see a lot of hammering on the wide angle pix posted by Canon, objectively speaking its a lens issue and not really a FF problem.

 

[litefoot]

if really come out,alot of people will chiong lor.

"Chiong"? Pirated copies? ;p ;p ;p

 

[tao]

If you are referring to the bunnies on your censor, it doesn't matter which lens on your body. Consistently you get them the same size, shape and what have you. Its weird to see a lot of hammering on the wide angle pix posted by Canon, objectively speaking its a lens issue and not really a FF problem.

hmmm... lens issue? Think I have to agree with that but seems that there is NO Canon lens in the market that won't display corner softness when used on a FF EOS. :sweat:

 

[Paul_Yeo]

so when is it coming?

 

[Watcher]

who needs fullframe (unless if you are a wide angle NUT) when all you get are images with soft corners and exaggerated dust bunnies? go check out those 5D image samples on dpreview and you guys will know what I mean.

The ironic fact is that wide angles on digital don't need FF. The Oly 4/3s has a 7-14mm lens giving you 14-28mm. Isn't that wide enough? Nikon has 10.5 FE, 12-24DX, etc Only Canon has not have a digital wide for its 1.3 crop cams; they can't use the EF-S series of lenses...

The so-call need for fullframe for wides is a mirage.

 

[Watcher]

"Chiong"? Pirated copies? ;p ;p ;p

:dunno: How do you "chiong" lenses

 

[Watcher]

If you are referring to the bunnies on your censor, it doesn't matter which lens on your body. Consistently you get them the same size, shape and what have you. Its weird to see a lot of hammering on the wide angle pix posted by Canon, objectively speaking its a lens issue and not really a FF problem.

It is and it is not. The problem is predominantly with the lens as it is incapable of giving quality image across the entire image area. However, FF makes it harder as the physical size of the sensor is so big.

That is why 12-24 Sigma looks great on a crop-size sensor but sucks on a FF.

 

[Milos]

glug glug.... opening next can...

 

[Watcher]

glug glug.... opening next can...

You must be too free now right? :sticktong

 

[ParkertR]

The ironic fact is that wide angles on digital don't need FF. The Oly 4/3s has a 7-14mm lens giving you 14-28mm. Isn't that wide enough? Nikon has 10.5 FE, 12-24DX, etc Only Canon has not have a digital wide for its 1.3 crop cams; they can't use the EF-S series of lenses...

The so-call need for fullframe for wides is a mirage.

totally agree with that.

 

[Milos]

Milos passing a can of beer to Watcher... yam seng... glug glug

 

[litefoot]

hmmm... lens issue? Think I have to agree with that but seems that there is NO Canon lens in the market that won't display corner softness when used on a FF EOS. :sweat:

Correction I can say its almost NO lens in 135 SLR. However, that's not exactly the point for the merit of FF.

 

[litefoot]

It is and it is not. The problem is predominantly with the lens as it is incapable of giving quality image across the entire image area. However, FF makes it harder as the physical size of the sensor is so big.

That is why 12-24 Sigma looks great on a crop-size sensor but sucks on a FF.

No. Personally I dun need a 12mm on the FF. I would like to see my lovely 20mm prime projected on FF rather than becoming "30mm" on the DX sensor. Enough said.

 

[TMC]

Think this is way off topic. at least for this thread.

Litefoot just doesnt like the idea of having his lenses altered from their original design to be "handicapped" by the 1.5 factor. but that is not to say that DX is w/o its pros. Jeez debating for days here already, GO OUT AND SHOOT SOMETHING!!!!

 

[Cactus jACK]

trying to get back to the topic...

anyone got confirmation of launch date? :think:

heard 1st sept?!?!?! :dunno:

 

[ztsen]

anyone read the latest HWM? it have D200 picture and stated 5fps. is that real? I dont read any press release at Nikon site.

 

[Watcher]

Think this is way off topic. at least for this thread.

Litefoot just doesnt like the idea of having his lenses altered from their original design to be "handicapped" by the 1.5 factor. but that is not to say that DX is w/o its pros. Jeez debating for days here already, GO OUT AND SHOOT SOMETHING!!!!

If Litefoot don't like it, so be it, but I don't see any rational, practical reason besides DOF and perspective for have FF being superior.

As for the term "handicapped", why not say that to every 300D, 350D, D30, D60, 10D, 20D users and while you're at it, don't forget the 1D, 1DMkII and every user who mounted a Zeiss lens on their camera body. I'm sure the lenses will thank you for informing everyone that they feel "handicapped"

As Nikon has already said that they are not developing FF for the short timeframe, even mentioning FF, etc is already OT.

 

[mpenza]

perhaps brighter viewfinder? Is F5's viewfinder's brighter and better than D2X's? Might not really be an issue though for most.

anyway, for the film users who want to get back "wider" perspective on a Nikon DSLR, they just need to buy another lens ($800-1.6k).... not really expensive compared to the cost of a full frame sensor.

of course, they could also go for one of Kodak's Nikon mount DSLRs.

 

[agape01]

18-70 f2.8 would be more mouth watering....

If Nikon ever were to come out with something like that, Astin I would totally agree with you that it would be tremendously mouth watering. Will definitely be using that lens 70% of the time liao, but it would even be more watering with SWM and AFS.

 

[Cactus jACK]

If Litefoot don't like it, so be it, but I don't see any rational, practical reason besides DOF and perspective for have FF being superior.

As for the term "handicapped", why not say that to every 300D, 350D, D30, D60, 10D, 20D users and while you're at it, don't forget the 1D, 1DMkII and every user who mounted a Zeiss lens on their camera body. I'm sure the lenses will thank you for informing everyone that they feel "handicapped"

As Nikon has already said that they are not developing FF for the short timeframe, even mentioning FF, etc is already OT.

i think that the mention of FF is fine, in the context of the speculation of the specs if the highly anticipated and mysterious D200, esp in view if canon annoucing their FF DSLR... but no need to "bash" DX, that can be saved for another thread - but we are all speculating at this time.