Getting into DSLR world but with a D40 or D60?

[bigbird17]

The D40 is a bad choice! D40 has no dust removal, manually cleaning the sensor of dust really sux! People who suggest D40 are probably looking for someone to unload it to. The logical thing to do if you do not have a DSLR is to get the latest version, which is the D60.

there there. don't get worked up. It's his choice we have to respect it. I guess He has his reasons to get D40. D40 isn't too bad lah. don;t trash it till so jia liat. to TS, you make you choice and stand by it =) good luck.

ps: i used to own a D40 and i love it though when D60 came out i was like &*()* but slowly i learn to appreciate and work with what i have. Aiya up to you haha:thumbsup:

 

[asdfg]

The D40 is a bad choice! D40 has no dust removal, manually cleaning the sensor of dust really sux! People who suggest D40 are probably looking for someone to unload it to. The logical thing to do if you do not have a DSLR is to get the latest version, which is the D60.

Tell me how much difference the D60 is going to make from a D40. 6mp to 10mp, 2.5fps to 3fps.

Dlighting feature and dust removal etc.

To be honest, the dust removal isn't THAT great to remove all dust on the sensor. People shouldn't buy a camera based on dust removal. A d300 compared to D3 then. D3 doesn't have dust removal. Does that make it worse? How often do you blow up pics to 6mp or 10mp?

Are you saying I want to unload the D40? Why would i? it's a great backup body,small and light, and At lower ISOs its definitely compareable to the D90 at least. Then is a D80 worse than a D60 since it's not the latest version? PLEASE BE LOGICAL.

 

[Parchiao]

Tell me how much difference the D60 is going to make from a D40. 6mp to 10mp, 2.5fps to 3fps.

Dlighting feature and dust removal etc.

To be honest, the dust removal isn't THAT great to remove all dust on the sensor. People shouldn't buy a camera based on dust removal. A d300 compared to D3 then. D3 doesn't have dust removal. Does that make it worse? How often do you blow up pics to 6mp or 10mp?

Are you saying I want to unload the D40? Why would i? it's a great backup body,small and light, and At lower ISOs its definitely compareable to the D90 at least. Then is a D80 worse than a D60 since it's not the latest version? PLEASE BE LOGICAL.

Hah! Silly lah, your logic has nothing to do with mine, mine is logical, yours is not.

For the TS, think about it, why do all camera makers now provide dust removal? Because these are very useful functions to have. Cleaning dust from your sensor is not an easy thing to do, and it is not something that anybody will like to do. Go read up on it, it's a real chore. The logic of having your sensor automatically cleaned every time you switch on the camera is not much different from bathing every day as opposed to bathing only when needed. It is easier to do it often than to do it once in a long while.

I won't go as far as to say that the other functions will make a difference, althugh I do feel that a 10MP image can be superior to a 6MP image when the need arises.

However, when you put all of the new or improved features together, although some are lost, it is still a better package overall. You might save yourself a few dollars now, but you will most likely regret at a later time because it is valid to say that a simple feature like dust removal can be a deal breaker.

 

[asdfg]

Camera manufacturers have dust removal systems partly because others have it. IF a new user comes and says "canon has dust removal and nikon doesn't" then he may go to canon.

What if the TS had the money to go for a D3? would you recommend the D3 over the D60/d90/d300 due to the dust reduction? This is a different case though. Because a d40 and d60 DON'T have much difference in technology and image quality, but the D3 does. You're speaking as if the dust reduction is perfect or works very very well. I know olympus's anti dust system is better than others. But the nikon system isn't completely perfect. There's going to be dust he might not get off. The price difference isn't much to some, $200 or so, but to others is it. But both are entry level cameras and if TS is really keen on photography then both would be replaced eventually with better cameras in the future. When you first start, and on a budget, every $ counts. He may be unsure of how long he would stay with photography, and as a starter he maybe unwilling to part with the extra cash.

He's made his decision, so why go against him? Why say "YOU SHOULD'VE GOT THE D60" and make him feel worse? There's nothing wrong with the D40. And you make it sound like the D40 is a dust magnet. Every Dslr has dust entering, more with poor lens swapping techniques.

"Hah! Silly lah, your logic has nothing to do with mine, mine is logical, yours is not."

how is mine not logical when you buy a dslr due to dust reduction and claim that the people who say d40 are ones who want to offload theirs. How bout people who said d60, d80? they want to offload theirs too?

 

[humchinpang]

D60 or D40 good? Both have its strengh n weakness. N the discussion here also not all recomended the D60. There is still a handful who have recommended the D40 including the Kenrockwell website where there is a whole comprehensive explaination on why he prefer the D40 better than the 40x or 60.

Its up to the TS to read thru all this info n decide for himself. Once he have decided, just let him get it and enjoy the hobby. Why do we still want to influence his decision? Unless someone is going to buy one or subsidise the extra for him to get the other one which is not his first choice. Is anyone going to do that????

D40 or D60? For me the most important is to buy 1 n start shooting first. After u get the feel, who knows what the TS will buy next?

Cool down guys, u all should be here to encourage, not to debate over such small issues ok. Take more pictures is what is important, speaking of that I have yet to start. Going to Malaysia for meeting this end month, will be bringing my D40X (Lucky not D40 or D60 :bsmilie along with me to do my first time shoot.

 

[Simon_84]

i still have my d40 with me, and i feel insulted with regards to the remarks made about the d40.
to go with new technology or not is purely up to TS, just give advise will do, why get upset about it ?
since TS already got to his decision, perhaps time to close thread ?

 

[KenBit]

Let him be. The d60 has a slightly faster frame rate, and better resolution but is slightly more expensive. If you look in my perspective I'd get the d40 too because unless you want to get the feel of a dslr and won't upgrade in the future I'm sure neither body would last more than 2 years before one would want to upgrade once he's outgrown the camera. Of course the D60 is better, and the D80's even better due to more control and options with the camera but its his choice. Also i find Kenbits comments contradictory don't you think?

"If you want to ask us and get out frank opinions GET THE D60 the feel of both cameras are almost 100% similar so... why on would you rather get the D40? "

If they feel the same then why can't he get the D40? the difference in D40 and D60 isn't a quantum leap in technology so it hardly makes a difference although the D40 is older.

Infact maybe you should buy some brains yourself. You bold all the unimportant information and make the line "You are definitely gonna regret this decision unless you have loads of money... Hm.. maybe can buy some brains also?" in small print when your main point was to get the d60 or he would regret. Maybe he does have loads of money? I suppose if he does listen to you, he ought to buy some brains. Real men (people) stand up to their own decisions. Ultimately he made that choice to buy a d40 and asked for opinions but doesn't mean he has to listen to them.

I'm referring to the feel of the cameras not the features. It ain't contradictory. And come on for about the same price, the D60 is clearly better......

 

[KenBit]

i still have my d40 with me, and i feel insulted with regards to the remarks made about the d40.
to go with new technology or not is purely up to TS, just give advise will do, why get upset about it ?
since TS already got to his decision, perhaps time to close thread ?

Yeah, good idea.
Bring a mod in, stop this internal war....

 

[Parchiao]

Before the mod steps in, I would like to say it one last time, get the D60, you will not think about the D40 at all. I can't say the same if you were to get the D40 and think about the D60, cause I reckon you are a first time buyer, unlike the others here who already have the D40, so opinions will be biased somewhat.

If cost is a problem, save your money and wait for prices to plunge due to the recession.

And one last time, D60 is a better camera simply because it has a host of features that will make your photography experience easier and happier. i.e. dust removal

 

[Simon_84]

even with dust removal, still have to manually take out the focusing screen to remove dirt if the spot gets into the VF and not inside the prisim...
dust removal is a good to have but does not really work all the time, some d60 users over here have make some complains about it.
or perhaps they think dust removal is a god send and doesn't exercise care when changing lens.

 

[KenBit]

Dude, the D60 is only $100 more...

 

[wing oscar]

y choosing a D40 n D60 like having a war??

D40 is a 6.1mp without the dust removal but D60 is a 10.2mp with dust removal... since the price is $100 different then TS go for D60 loz.. anyway may think for printing out larger size.. but D40/x n D60 all this range of dslr still need AF-S lens... as others members recommended, if got the budget can consider 2nd hand D80 or 1st hand D90...

btw i'm own D40, worst to see the price now n that time i brought it... it really very pissed... :cry:

 

[humchinpang]

y choosing a D40 n D60 like having a war??

D40 is a 6.1mp without the dust removal but D60 is a 10.2mp with dust removal... since the price is $100 different then TS go for D60 loz.. anyway may think for printing out larger size.. but D40/x n D60 all this range of dslr still need AF-S lens... as others members recommended, if got the budget can consider 2nd hand D80 or 1st hand D90...

btw i'm own D40, worst to see the price now n that time i brought it... it really very pissed... :cry:

Prices for electronics n cars alike. The moment u buy the price will start to depreciate. Best is dont be the first to own some newly launch products. Wait till the product is afew olds n at clearing price than buy.........but by than, it is no more exciting anymore. :bsmilie:

 

[bigbird17]

ya loh.. agreee. serious if i buy now i will go for D40 or D60 whichever cheaper . i dunno why also. My first cam was a D40 great experience. Now i have moved on to a D80 but if anyone ask a D40 is def worth the $$. get it 2nd hand maybe??

 

[mutant]

Other differences of D60 compare to D40 are listed below:

• auto-orienting screen (horizontal or vertical)
• built-in stop motion movie maker
• active D-lighting feature, which adjusts the shadow areas of the photograph
• improved system to minimize dust landing on the sensor
• graphical white balance adjustment offering fine-tuning of white balance settings
• eye sensor function, which turns off the LCD when the user looks through the viewfinder
• kit option includes the new 18-55mm VR lens, with the VR improving photographs in low light by 2-3 stops, as compared to the previous 18-55mm kit lens
• simultaneous recording of both RAW and JPEG data of the same image

 

[Six-GHz]

Aiyoh, what has become of this thread? In the end, do what your own heart and head lead you. If it turns out right, congrats yourself. If it turns out otherwise, a lesson learnt. That's nothing more than that.

And either way, Nikon wins! Cheers

 

[Parchiao]

Aiyoh, what has become of this thread? In the end, do what your own heart and head lead you. If it turns out right, congrats yourself. If it turns out otherwise, a lesson learnt. That's nothing more than that.

And either way, Nikon wins! Cheers

Yeah, it's just too bad that some of us have different opinions because of different train of thoughts.

My guiding principle when in doubt, "Penny wise, pound foolish".

 

[asdfg]

Yeah, it's just too bad that some of us have different opinions because of different train of thoughts.

My guiding principle when in doubt, "Penny wise, pound foolish".

Sorry for starting an argument

i still have my d40 with me, and i feel insulted with regards to the remarks made about the d40.
to go with new technology or not is purely up to TS, just give advise will do, why get upset about it ?
since TS already got to his decision, perhaps time to close thread ?

That's why I said that he's already decided and it would only make him worse. After he announced his decision people started to tell him he's going to regret etc when he's already made a decision. There's no point.

 

[PreciousP]

Sorry for starting an argument



That's why I said that he's already decided and it would only make him worse. After he announced his decision people started to tell him he's going to regret etc when he's already made a decision. There's no point.

TS might not have bought the D40 yet.

Anyway if TS is still around - forget D40 and get D60. If the price differential between D40 and D60 is big then there is a case of D40 good enough. But if the differential is so small it is really a no brainer to get the D60, sorry if my disagreement hurts those with D40, but this is a fact of life. D40 is a good buy and a good enough camera today if the price differential is around $300.

The appearance of D700 had made D300 less attractive, the appearance of D300 completely negated most of the reasons why one would buy a D2X. The same reasoning apply here. The capability of the camera hasn't been depleted, just better machines came along.

Not to mention, Nikon holds stock of spare parts for a number of years and then there is no more support. Buying a product 2+ years old means the support will vanish 2+ years earlier.

 

[Six-GHz]

Well, I quoted from this guy before, cos I find that it just smack right between my (or many peoples') eyes...

"When you know nothing, anything will work. As you start to gain knowledge you become embarrassed by your equipment and buy up. When you start to know a lot more, you buy up again because you can now purchase more intelligently. And when you know everything there is to know about cameras, you realize that a lot of it is just smoke and mirrors, so you are then able to use everything and anything to produce good images".

Enjoy your purchase, whichever model it is, and maximise it. Buying is only the first step towards photography, there's still a lot to be learnt.