Full frame or not?

[Halfmoon]

Nope, cos there's no end to upgrading, same for computers and handphones. So just get what's sufficient for u, save more money too.

There is no end for sure.... but I would advise against people into getting into debt for upgrading and hobby just to be "IN". To some extend, I find people in Singapore have weird values..... everything must have the latest......

I think it should be on a need basis. But people either are mentally weak or the marketing are so super that influence their buying behavior... Some people buy the latest 3G phone, with so many function, but do not use them at all...

Necessity, Needs and Wants.... it is all blurred..... :dunno:

 

[Halfmoon]

Not possible to date yet.

My guess is 3 yrs. That's why I am avoiding all EF-S lenses... hehee.... :bsmilie:

:think: I think 24-105mm will win my vote than 24-70mm as I prefer more range, and IS will be handy... and for FF.....

Even for 1.6.... it is ok, as 35mm is my preferred range.

 

[Halfmoon]

Not possible to date yet.

Also... I guess my 400D might not last that long, and I could need to get another body before FF come in my range.... most likely to get a 50D/60D......

 

[Snoweagle]

There is no end for sure.... but I would advise against people into getting into debt for upgrading and hobby just to be "IN". To some extend, I find people in Singapore have weird values..... everything must have the latest......

I think it should be on a need basis. But people either are mentally weak or the marketing are so super that influence their buying behavior... Some people buy the latest 3G phone, with so many function, but do not use them at all...

Necessity, Needs and Wants.... it is all blurred..... :dunno:

I agree. Everything must have the latest, is going to weigh heavily on u on the financial side, unless u're born with a silver spoon.

 

[Snoweagle]

My guess is 3 yrs. That's why I am avoiding all EF-S lenses... hehee.... :bsmilie:

:think: I think 24-105mm will win my vote than 24-70mm as I prefer more range, and IS will be handy... and for FF.....

Even for 1.6.... it is ok, as 35mm is my preferred range.

If i've a choice for a walkaround lens on my 5D, it's the Tamron 28-300 VC.

 

[Halfmoon]

If i've a choice for a walkaround lens on my 5D, it's the Tamron 28-300 VC.

It have very wide coverage... how is the IQ??? (FF right?)

24-105mm to me will cover most of my range.... If travel, 24mm can be wide enough for landscape and can skip a UWA... and up to 105mm.... my 17-40mm equivalent to 64mm and I still survived... lol... But this is personal....

 

[PrimePhotog]

And no need to think about upgrading to FF in future... lol

But you may then want to upgrade to MF or even LF

 

[defn]

I find myself asking these questions when I get the BBB virus for FF.

1) Can you easily afford the 5D II? If not, are you going to be making $$$ out of it?

2) Are you that certain that you cannot improve your skills anymore such that the only way up is an increase in CMOS size?

3) Won't the money be better spent travelling to take pictures?

Usually the answer for the first 2 is no and the last one yes.

I don't see the point in avoiding EF-S lenses just for the "possibility" of upgrading in the future. You are depriving yourself of one awesome 10-22 and another 17-55.

 

[Snoweagle]

It have very wide coverage... how is the IQ??? (FF right?)

24-105mm to me will cover most of my range.... If travel, 24mm can be wide enough for landscape and can skip a UWA... and up to 105mm.... my 17-40mm equivalent to 64mm and I still survived... lol... But this is personal....

Don't expect very gd IQ with a super or ultra zoom but is reasonable enough.

 

[hobbit6003]

There is no end for sure.... but I would advise against people into getting into debt for upgrading and hobby just to be "IN". To some extend, I find people in Singapore have weird values..... everything must have the latest......

I think it should be on a need basis. But people either are mentally weak or the marketing are so super that influence their buying behavior... Some people buy the latest 3G phone, with so many function, but do not use them at all...

Necessity, Needs and Wants.... it is all blurred..... :dunno:

I totally concur with you, this is called the Best-est mentality: "I must have the Fastest, Latest and the Greatest mentality". Such a mentality, it seems, have permeated to various aspects of our lives and other purchase decisions.

For me, I usually buy what I need, and if I ever lust after something, it has to be affordable to cost something like a loose change for me.

I don't need a full frame as I'm not into landscape. I want to upgrade because my 30D is getting old, and that the latest 7D had IQ significantly better than 30D (better high ISO noise control) and arrived just at the right time.

And yes, the excellent 17-55mm f2.8 is one hell of a reason for me to stay with a crop body.

I think, many are buying FF for the sake of owning one, they dun even know why they buy it for. Good if these people can afford, but I reckon quite a few are just squeezing themselves dry buying these cameras...

 

[CanonSLR]

If it is 7D FF at current price of say $2.5K.... it is the ONE!!! hahaha.... :bsmilie:

If the new 7D changes its sensor to FF (36mm x 24mm), it's gonna be among the ultimate FF cams.

Canon is unlikely to release a 7D FF. With the features of 7D, its more likely Canon release the feature pack FF as 3D. It'll be priced higher than 5D series but below 1Ds.

 

[CanonSLR]

I totally concur with you, this is called the Best-est mentality: "I must have the Fastest, Latest and the Greatest mentality". Such a mentality, it seems, have permeated to various aspects of our lives and other purchase decisions.

For me, I usually buy what I need, and if I ever lust after something, it has to be affordable to cost something like a loose change for me.

I don't need a full frame as I'm not into landscape. I want to upgrade because my 30D is getting old, and that the latest 7D had IQ significantly better than 30D (better high ISO noise control) and arrived just at the right time.

And yes, the excellent 17-55mm f2.8 is one hell of a reason for me to stay with a crop body.

I think, many are buying FF for the sake of owning one, they dun even know why they buy it for. Good if these people can afford, but I reckon quite a few are just squeezing themselves dry buying these cameras...

I disagree and doubt those who go for FF squeeze themselves dry for the buy. These people are into photography for sometime and most likely owners of non-FF DSLR or film SLR prior to that. They see a need to go further with a larger sensor body and has a little spare cash to go into it, since they probably already own L-lenses. Those people who started film SLR will feel familiarity with a FF DSLR. Exception to those who're rich, but I reckon they'll probably go for 1Ds.

 

[swish]

I disagree and doubt those who go for FF squeeze themselves dry for the buy. These people are into photography for sometime and most likely owners of non-FF DSLR or film SLR prior to that. They see a need to go further with a larger sensor body and has a little spare cash to go into it, since they probably already own L-lenses. Those people who started film SLR will feel familiarity with a FF DSLR. Exception to those who're rich, but I reckon they'll probably go for 1Ds.

yep, this is true. i started off with a canon 1000n (1994?) before upgrading to a eos 50 in 1996. never really got used to a crop sensor, so i recently decided to give up my 40d for a 5dm2. besides, i'm sure i will be able to unleash the full potential of my L lenses with a FF!

 

[ianhyk]

To TS: what kind of nature? Birds and wildlife? If so, a crop sensor body may serve ur needs better than a FF body. For landscapes, you can opt for a lens such as an EF-S 10-22mm or any of the 3rd party offerings. Unless you already have a full frame wide angle lens or a full set of FF lenses, then moving to a FF body may make more sense.

Crop sensor bodies are also likely to be around for some time to come.

No, not wildlife or birding.. more like a bit of macro, close-ups those kind.

And nope i'm mostly using ef-s lenses now.. so cost will be a big factor if i'm upgrading. not sure if i should get the 10-22 now or save up a bit longer then get 5dm2.

But judging from the samples i see online, somehow i feel that unless you're printing big, the image diff between full frame and crop is very little for landscapes?

 

[hobbit6003]

I disagree and doubt those who go for FF squeeze themselves dry for the buy. These people are into photography for sometime and most likely owners of non-FF DSLR or film SLR prior to that. They see a need to go further with a larger sensor body and has a little spare cash to go into it, since they probably already own L-lenses. Those people who started film SLR will feel familiarity with a FF DSLR. Exception to those who're rich, but I reckon they'll probably go for 1Ds.

Sorry, I think I was typing too fast...I dun mean most people who gotten the 5D, I mean some of them...

I started with film SLR way back in the late 80s too, but I find that going FF with that kinda price, isn't very justifiable for people like me who are casual shooters, but who demand just a tad bit more than taking snapshots.

 

[Halfmoon]

Don't expect very gd IQ with a super or ultra zoom but is reasonable enough.

I do not actually expect good IQ.... but it will be really convenient. With film, you can get away with poor lens... With Digital sensor... pretty tough... and it does expose a poor lens weakness... and looking at how Canon remove and revamp their lens line up... it should be because of digital sensor...

 

[Snoweagle]

I do not actually expect good IQ.... but it will be really convenient. With film, you can get away with poor lens... With Digital sensor... pretty tough... and it does expose a poor lens weakness... and looking at how Canon remove and revamp their lens line up... it should be because of digital sensor...

I've tried Tamron's 28-300 VC and IQ is pretty gd. Optics have been improved as compared to older variants of this lens.

 

[Halfmoon]

I totally concur with you, this is called the Best-est mentality: "I must have the Fastest, Latest and the Greatest mentality". Such a mentality, it seems, have permeated to various aspects of our lives and other purchase decisions.

For me, I usually buy what I need, and if I ever lust after something, it has to be affordable to cost something like a loose change for me.

I don't need a full frame as I'm not into landscape. I want to upgrade because my 30D is getting old, and that the latest 7D had IQ significantly better than 30D (better high ISO noise control) and arrived just at the right time.

And yes, the excellent 17-55mm f2.8 is one hell of a reason for me to stay with a crop body.

I think, many are buying FF for the sake of owning one, they dun even know why they buy it for. Good if these people can afford, but I reckon quite a few are just squeezing themselves dry buying these cameras...

Cheapest FF is film... lol... that's what I did.. I pack a film cam with some slides and hey, I got a FF Super Wide angle lens with my 17-40, which is usually 28mm on a crop sensor...

We can only advice people.. but if they do not wish to listen to advises, we can only wish them the best.

FF is like a IN thing, and so exclusive... so not many people have it and the holy grill... maybe it is about bragging for those collectors.... people into photography will be busy shooting and understanding their gears strength and weakness, and improving their composition....

I think someone should intro the collectors Leica, Hassleback, Mamamiya... That is the MOST EXCLUSIVE CLUB...

I would love to have a FF too, but my reason is I have no EF-S (beside the kit lens) and all set up for FF... and getting FF will save me money instead.... and I would love to shoot landscape....

 

[Halfmoon]

I disagree and doubt those who go for FF squeeze themselves dry for the buy. These people are into photography for sometime and most likely owners of non-FF DSLR or film SLR prior to that. They see a need to go further with a larger sensor body and has a little spare cash to go into it, since they probably already own L-lenses. Those people who started film SLR will feel familiarity with a FF DSLR. Exception to those who're rich, but I reckon they'll probably go for 1Ds.

Mmmm.... I would think those who went FF should have some who are in this class... photographer and some who are collectors.....

Regardless of which, we do not have the empirical to do a case study, and it is individual generalization.... looking at some of the thread, you will see that some people actually does ask novice question about photography and wanting to get a 5DmkII... even then, it is difficult to have a clear overview, and my advice is still against over spending.....

 

[Halfmoon]

Sorry, I think I was typing too fast...I dun mean most people who gotten the 5D, I mean some of them...

I started with film SLR way back in the late 80s too, but I find that going FF with that kinda price, isn't very justifiable for people like me who are casual shooters, but who demand just a tad bit more than taking snapshots.

Well... different people have different comfort zone, and FF is too ex for you and it is ok. No worry... just enjoy shooting with whatever gears you have and enjoy!!