Fujifilm X-Pro1

[wilswong]

Just about any company does distortion correction these days. Nikon does that, and Canon does it for their compacts. Even Leica does it.

Doing it and doing it excessively is really two different things too. between getting a lens for 1.5 crop and a 2.7 crop, i would choose the former anytime to ensure the distortion is not that bad in the first place. If i can afford, full frame but I have reasons not to chief of which is the value proposition.

 

[wilswong]

Not up to scratch compared to wat? Also which m4/3 lenses are you talking about?

The system, especially the image straight out of camera is not acceptable to me. If I turn around and ask you, why choose MFT when there are reasons not to, would you have listened if the pictures are acceptable to you.

The system, and the cost of getting it, is not worth my hard earn money IMHO. To others it may be something they like and they can buy it.

 

[wilswong]

Oh yes. Got confused with the x10

I stand corrected in other forums. If go to page 1, see the bottom right hand corner, there is a black version x100 limited edition...inadvertently means going to cost a bomb just because it is black.

 

[wilswong]

This model is definitely a step in the right direction for fuji... I hope though that they explore the rangefinder niche that only Leica currently has a hold on... A truly Leica-like camera for the masses, and with a hybrid viewfinder, I think that would definitely be a winner.

I might add. I would certainly want a pop up flash. Even if it is not that powerful enough, it is still useful with x100 hi ISO performance. Looks like i will wait for the Pro-2 with the flash.

 

[wilswong]

pretty steep, especially considering you can get the flagship APS-C cameras from both nikon and canon for around the same price, but i guess its worth seeing how it performs before jumping into conclusions. If they manage to fix the autofocusing issue from the X100, then it should be interesting as it competes with the high end APS-C offerings of the major DSLR makers.

The focusing issue is not really an issue unless one don't put in effort to understand how to overcome the slight inconvenience of contrast detect AF.

I was at Artfoto the other day showing some chaps how to get it focus fast. It can do it, not as well as DSLR surely but fast enough for a lot of shooting except sports.

 

[wilswong]

I'd venture to guess that prices for X100 will go down .. especially resale ones.

With the announcement from Fuji on X-Pro 1, I hope that give the m43 folks, especially Oly, a big kick and hurry up with their development and announcement of PEN pro ...

With the financial scandal they just being exposed? No major ones in near term though they say they are working on another form of hybrid viewfinder.

 

[wilswong]

You don't understand what's 50mm? Fuji has 18f2, 35f1.4 and 60f2.4, where got 50f1.2?

i think you are confused. when we talk 50mm it is at 35mm/FF equivalent and always will be. So for APS-C, that means it will be the 35mm or (35 x 1.5 ZF =) 53mm (35mm equivalent). That is the real 50mm. The 50mm lens on Pro1 will be 75mm effect. Too tight for most stuff except food, portraiture.

So for me old timer that means I will get 23mm or the 35mm, which will be the lens that replaces my x100. Good for street photography. Works great with my panoramic shots.

 

[wilswong]

If its the same size as X100, its a done deal. But its actually chunkier and more hefty. That may be a deal breaker for me.

Actually not much bigger.

 

[wilswong]

Have a question... was looking at the specs at fujifilm.com, seems like the hybrid viewfinder will auto-switch to a different magnifier and frame line with different lenses attached.

FUJIFILM X-Pro1 | features - Hybrid Multi Viewfinder | Fujifilm Global

With the 18mm and 35mm on everything looks fine, but the 60mm retains the same view as the 35 with a much smaller frame line. I'm guessing that is how things work in a rangefinder, but it's going to be difficult to shoot with the 60mm.

Supposed to be a macro lens so EVF is definitely needed for the 60mm

 

[wilswong]

Same here, have some investment in some Canon lenses as well. Will wait for it to come out and see how the market respond to this new kids on the block before I make this important decision.

I have to agree. It is a system and if the full range of lens is not out there on sale, then it is better to wait out and see the direction Fujifilm is going with this. If they have adopted say Nikon lens system, I would have skipped this step. The reason why FJF decided on the leica adaptor is because of 3 things a) the disposable income of Leica Owners (even the retirees are super rich) b) the range of Leica lens and c) to pip Leica in the RF and Pseudo RF camera market.

So in the end, I am not rich, I don't have Leica lens to fill the gap and certainly, if FJF wants to win the war, then it has to convinced people who already have a system in the dry box to change or buy a new one by supplying the range of lens to replace what's in the dry box.

At the moment I don't see any. zoom lens at F4.0 is not what I am looking for. I have enough of struggling with F4.0 in low light. Though ISO performance may be great, it is always nice to have F2.8 to support night shooting further. Just my shooting style AND if given a choice, I won't buy lens with IS.

And of course, if tamron, sigma or Tokina feel that they can fill the void the Fuji is not filling it well, I am all the more inclined to get the Pro...but not at this current iteration just because of one thing: a flash. Yes it is small but a life saver when external flash is not around and asking me to get a small external flash to compensate for the lack of it? I think the value proposition has gone down the drain on this one.

 

[Red Dawn]

Hi

It's truly a good time to be a photographer - today we have a wealth of choices of systems....

My main objection against APS-C cameras of the DSLR mould was the lack of prime lenses with the equivalent focal length. I experienced this as early as the venerable Canon D30, the first *affordable* DSLR, where I was always trying to pretend my fixed 20mm lens was a 35-ish lens. And there were no equivalent for focal lengths like 28mm, that is also a fast lens. (the closest is the old Tokina 17mm, but that's f3.5).

So when the full frame cameras came down in prize (and SIZE), I wasted no time jumping to full frame. To me, I enjoy using my D700 with smallish prime lenses like the 24mm f2.8 AFD, the 35mm f2 AFD or even a simple 50mm f1.8 AFD. True the D700 is bigger and heavier than other APS-C cameras, but it's solidly built, with a large viewfinder and more importantly, I can put those small primes on it.

In fact, I carry the D700 with these fixed lenses almost daily. (mostly with the 35 though..)

To bring this back on topic, today the X100 has largely replaced the bulky DSLR in the bag for daily walks. I guess I can deal with the APS-C sensor now because the lens is fixed AND it's a fast 35mm f2, so I'm a happy camper.

I'm very glad to see the X-Pro1 being launched with just fixed focal lengths lenses - and not just fixed focal lengths, but FAST fixed focal length lenses. It's also very cool to see them with the traditional focal lengths of 28, 50 and 90mm equivalents. This makes the APS-C sensor more acceptable to me.... Which other manufacturer except Leica releases new systems with just fixed primes and NO flash????? It takes plenty of balls / guts to do that

Fujifilm has said this will be first in the series of X bodies and lenses, and I see no reason not to believe them. They seem to be in this for the long haul.......

 

[Oly5050]

The system, especially the image straight out of camera is not acceptable to me. If I turn around and ask you, why choose MFT when there are reasons not to, would you have listened if the pictures are acceptable to you.

The system, and the cost of getting it, is not worth my hard earn money IMHO. To others it may be something they like and they can buy it.

The M4/3 system when used with the primes - either the Olympus or the Panasonic ... particularly the 25 f1.4 or the 45 f1.8, is just amazing. The results are super-sharp, with very smooth bokeh, and very nice colours. The lens plays a large part in the image quality.

Anyway, I am keen to see how the X-Pro1 will fare with its larger sensor. The X10 is competent, but to me the IQ is definately not as good as on m4/3. Anyway, I got the X10 because I wanted more DOF at large apertures.

 

[kei1309]

i'm very interested to get this camera. but price might be a deterrent factor in actually purchasing it.

 

[Dfive]

I might add. I would certainly want a pop up flash. Even if it is not that powerful enough, it is still useful with x100 hi ISO performance. Looks like i will wait for the Pro-2 with the flash.

You mean waiting for the X-Pro 100

 

[NazgulKing]

Everyone has a different set of metrics when deciding on purchasing a camera. For me, the question is the corner performance when the wide angle primes are mounted onto the camera. Also, if I'm to spent so much money on a camera, it better at least be as good as the closest competitor in most respects; i.e. the Sony NEX 5/7. If it cannot be as good, then it is rather hard to justify the camera. Looks aren't going to cut it.

 

[ageha]

I guess the IQ will be at least as good as the NEX-5N. I'm not interested in AF and Fuji's native lenses but unfortunately it doesn't seem to have peaking. Too bad otherwise I would have pre-ordered one.

 

[NazgulKing]

I guess the IQ will be at least as good as the NEX-5N. I'm not interested in AF and Fuji's native lenses but unfortunately it doesn't seem to have peaking. Too bad otherwise I would have pre-ordered one.

I don't really trust peaking any way. typically I use magnification. Works slower but more accurate.

 

[cichlid]

I'm fine with MF using magnification method on my 2.7 inch low res LCD on my EPL1. I haven't tried other cam's peaking method though.

 

[wonglp]

I'm fine with MF using magnification method on my 2.7 inch low res LCD on my EPL1. I haven't tried other cam's peaking method though.

Wa u good...I can only mf with vf2 especially outdoor. Peaking is actually very good if it's well implemented, so far Sony does it best. Ricoh is ok but not as good. if xpro has it would be interesting when they launch the m mount.

 

[NazgulKing]

Wa u good...I can only mf with vf2 especially outdoor. Peaking is actually very good if it's well implemented, so far Sony does it best. Ricoh is ok but not as good. if xpro has it would be interesting when they launch the m mount.

I suspect it might have to do with the inherent resolution of the sensor. 12MP vs 16MP. The focus center change will be sharper on the 16 than on the 12.