hlw8888
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comparing this to the entry-level DSLRs, which is more worth leh? though S100FS has the advantage of no need to change lens and is a good cam for travelling.
Fujifilm S100FS
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comparing this to the entry-level DSLRs, which is more worth leh? though S100FS has the advantage of no need to change lens and is a good cam for travelling.
Clockunder
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Yes, 2/3" is just marginally bigger than 1/1.6".
My previous prosumer camera Nikon 5700 used 2/3" sensor which is a "crop factor" of 43.3/11 (diagonals of image sensors) = 3.93x.
According to my calculation, 1/1.7" is about 4.5x crop factor.
1/1.6" is somewhere between 4.5x and 3.9x.
As mentioned in my earlier analysis, 11MP on 2/3" will have about the same pixel density as the 9MP on 1/1.6" of S9600. Therefore, with improved 8th generation Super CCD and new processing algorithm, I expect noise level to be lower than the S9600. It's left to be seen how it will compare with the S6500fd which has a lower pixel density and better noise performance at high ISO than the S9600.
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If you talk about image quality, the DSLR is always better because of a bigger image sensor and the ability to get much more details out of a scene with a longer actual focal length.
For e.g. in this new S100fs, 400mm field of view will be shot with about 100mm focal length. In comparison, in a Nikon D40, the actual focal length would be 266mm to get the same picture from the same position. The longer lens coupled with a bigger image sensor will give better resolution and noise control but they're more expensive too assuming same lens quality.
Moreover, a DSLR has the possibility of using better lenses (expensive though) and faster focusing speeds etc.
As you've said already, the S100fs's advantage is no need to change lens. No need to worry about dust etc. etc.
S$1,000 for a DSLR includes only the body and a limited range kit lens. To have the same zoom range flexibility as 28-400mm field of view, a DSLR would require a few lenses. In the end, a DSLR system would cost at least 2-3x that of the S100fs.
Which is more worth depends on the person. So usually, there is no good answer to this question.
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918g without battery is indeed very heavy but not unexpected with a long zoom (about 7mm-100mm vs only 66.7mm on S6500fd) lens.
The S6500fd is only 600g while the S9600 is 650g which is already much bigger and heavier than other prosumer cameras in the market.
I believe most people buying a long zoom prosumer would rather have better image quality comparable to a dslr than small size and light weight with micro sensor and lousy image quality and poor dynamic range....
To have the same range as this S100FS, most dslr users will have to get at least 2 lenses, which will be much heavier in total.
To have the same range as this S100FS, most dslr users will have to get at least 2 lenses, which will be much heavier in total.
Clockunder
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The Olympus E-510 with dual kit lens 14-42mm F/3.5-5.6 and 40-150mm (presumably F/4-5.6) are now US$650 (S$930) at Adorama and US$661(S$945) at Amazon.com in the US
14-150mm on the Olympus DSLR would give a field of view of 28-300mm on 35mm equivalent.
The 4/3 system used by the Olympus DSLR has a crop factor of 2 while the S100fs has a crop factor of 3.93. Do a bit of cropping in post-processing, the 150mm on the Olympus would have a field of view similar to 400mm on 35mm equivalent.
If the S100fs is available only at near to S$1,000, then it may be hard to sell. Of course, the S100fs has a Super CCD. Despite a 5x bigger image sensor on the Olympus DSLR when compared to the S6500fd, the noise level at high ISO isn't impressive even when the Olympus DSLR's pixel density is much lower.
Fujifilm is a member of the 4/3 system and if it comes out with a 4/3 system entry DSLR camera body with Super CCD HR (with image stabiliser as well, of course) and price it at just a slight premium over the E-510, it would be a giant killer. But then, Olympus will probably benefit tremendously from a great demand for 4/3 lenses. I guess more money can be made from selling lenses than selling camera bodies and Fujifilm is not willing to embark on something which benefits lens makers like Olympus and Sigma much more than themselves especially when selling camera bodies may not be a profitable business and entails a huge investment risk.
14-150mm on the Olympus DSLR would give a field of view of 28-300mm on 35mm equivalent.
The 4/3 system used by the Olympus DSLR has a crop factor of 2 while the S100fs has a crop factor of 3.93. Do a bit of cropping in post-processing, the 150mm on the Olympus would have a field of view similar to 400mm on 35mm equivalent.
If the S100fs is available only at near to S$1,000, then it may be hard to sell. Of course, the S100fs has a Super CCD. Despite a 5x bigger image sensor on the Olympus DSLR when compared to the S6500fd, the noise level at high ISO isn't impressive even when the Olympus DSLR's pixel density is much lower.
Fujifilm is a member of the 4/3 system and if it comes out with a 4/3 system entry DSLR camera body with Super CCD HR (with image stabiliser as well, of course) and price it at just a slight premium over the E-510, it would be a giant killer. But then, Olympus will probably benefit tremendously from a great demand for 4/3 lenses. I guess more money can be made from selling lenses than selling camera bodies and Fujifilm is not willing to embark on something which benefits lens makers like Olympus and Sigma much more than themselves especially when selling camera bodies may not be a profitable business and entails a huge investment risk.
Personally, when defining the ultimate holiday camera, firstly, it will use AA batts.
Why? Hassle free ... AA avail almost anywhere u go. No need to ensure that u fully charge in hotel before going out.
I suppose i'll stick with the 6500fd instead.
Why? Hassle free ... AA avail almost anywhere u go. No need to ensure that u fully charge in hotel before going out.
I suppose i'll stick with the 6500fd instead.
hlw8888
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A dream come true!
The preview specification looks good. But that will depends on reviews and how user friendly the cam shall be in terms of accessibility, functions, handling etc. I do hope the lens will be good enough not to be too sensitive to flare, ghosting and purple fringing. Barrel distortion and pincushion to take into consideration to at full wide and tele.
http://www.dcresource.com/news/newsitem.php?id=3693
here is showing a MSRP of USD$799 if I am not mistaken the currency referred by this website.
Anyway, this is a better prosumer than any other on market and feature riched make it sounds very good on paper. I'm looking forward to actual test and review by those camera reviewers.
here is showing a MSRP of USD$799 if I am not mistaken the currency referred by this website.
Anyway, this is a better prosumer than any other on market and feature riched make it sounds very good on paper. I'm looking forward to actual test and review by those camera reviewers.
hlw8888
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S100FS brochure from Fuji USA website.
http://www.fujifilmusa.com/JSP/fuji/epartners/bin/S100_Brochurel.pdf
http://www.fujifilmusa.com/JSP/fuji/epartners/bin/S100_Brochurel.pdf
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looks good. S9600 is already an excellent travel companion that produces really good fuji colors. This S100FS too bad does not uses AA batteries.
But then, usually things always looks good on paper. Still must wait for more reviews and sample pics then can even think of it. Maybe can consider this camera as my travelmate. :devil:
But then, usually things always looks good on paper. Still must wait for more reviews and sample pics then can even think of it. Maybe can consider this camera as my travelmate. :devil:
Clockunder
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hmmm... ya hor, AA batteries would be better....... cos i have many AA rechargables.
Considering how large the lens is and how fast the camera needs to process and save the data (hey, it's able to do 3 fps at 11MP compared to just about 1-1.5 fps for other prosumer cameras), it probably needs the power and stamina of a lithium Ion battery to drive the focusing and processing for a reasonable period of time for shooting.
From the specs of the battery charger (which suprising must be bought separately), it's 8.4V.
I guess 4 AA batteries may not be able to provide the necessary power and sustainence and that's why Lithium Ion battery is used instead.
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