Fuji X10, so pretty!

[raymondluo]

Your words are sound, but our opinion still differs nonetheless. If there was an option to upgrade I.S. for any lens or body I would do that for almost all of my purchases. It's like how when Canon's 28-70 L F2.8 came out a horde of people were (and are still) complaining/ petitioning for I.S. to be included in their next iteration.

Maybe it's a case of the greener grass.

 

[swhyge]

Please allow an experienced novice comments:

1. The weightage/usefulness of IS vs fast lens differ from individual. If you are one of tho die die must have tripod in all situation, then IS value is nil - is this possible?
2. IHMO, IS was not meant to replace fast lens. The advertised how many stops advantage refers more to the how many stops slower you can handheld- shutter speed - you can go, at a given settting.
3. As all photographers are creative by nature, we bring into the equation, ISO and aperture....I remember reading somewhere, A, S and ISO form a triangle. For that perfect creative shot, at that particular condition, and depending on your intent, that triangular combination is fixed, - of course, best is at that native ISO value of the camera. You cannot replace/subsititue/compromise A with S or vice versa. And in order to minismise or eliminate that one more variable - camera shake - that is where IS or tripod comes in. Therefore, if tripod is a NEVER WRONG recommendation - IS should be accorded with its appropriate status.
4. I also do not agree that IS should be viewed as someform of market gimmicks. - not by the camera/lens manufacturers. But, unfortunately, some sales outlets or maybe some raw beginners, intentional or otherwise, do preach this "have IS will travel" theme. (I personnally heard it, not in exact words, in one big names outlets)
5. i do not have a steady hands, got unpolished techniques and a lazy man - no tripod. How I wish I have VR in my Nikon 17-55/2.8 and 85/1.4!, etc - i should have a few more nice memorable records in harddisk now!
6. I got the Sony HX100V recently- this is one of the best IS implementation there is, with my limited experience. If you have a chance, go out shoot - long FL, twilight, etc.... and you will be presently surprise - not good enough for stock photos but sure find a place in your HD. NOT even DSLR with fast lens can achieve! - save for the professional grade DSLR which I do not have a chance to play to date. IF only the DLSR system can have a smiliar effective IS system - hurrah!

As raymondluo has mentioned, if possible, I also want all my lens to have IS(VR)! But, with or without, my sigma 30/1.4 will always be with me!

 

[TMC]

and I thought this thread was about X10. LOL

 

[swhyge]

Yes! I hesitated to comment or not to comment!

 

[raymondluo]

Nice of you to confirm everything that had already been discussed. If anything it just solidifies and closes that topic. I did not disagree with aperture, and i'm sure no one would. The only differing opinion was that while I preferred I.S, wilswong seems to prefer ISO. It's more due to my shooting style perhaps that that have this preference, I do not shoot sports. Hence I see little need to increase ISO for the sake of s/s as long as it's within my means to capture.

You can tell i'm not a big fan of ISO, I'm already quite unhappy when I have to shoot at ISO 640. To me the differences are quite stark from anything above 400 usually.

* Anyways there's no additional information regarding the X10. I wish it had a Super 16 sensor size to it or 1" even. But 2/3" is pretty good, considering it is(was?) the standard television broadcasting format. And a focal length of 35-75/85mm is enough if it meant reduction of protruding lens size. Think Fuji Tri-Elmar.

Any word on whether the OVF with be able to display and exposure information?

 

[wilswong]

About I.S.

In the end, my end result don't use I.S. and I trained myself not to rely on it too much. If it is shaky then the tripod even monopod will normally do it for me. So the conclusion is that is a physio thing as well as a technical thing. But fast lens is needed to freeze action and I.S. allows slower shutter speed. Never the twain shall meet. If the subject matter is landscape, then there won't be an argument. The thing is people argue here because I use action as the subject matter to base my arguments on. Some people say twilight etc then I know the subject matter is already different. Different subject matter, different settings hence I.S. can be used. In any case, between i.s. and tripod. I choose the later because a stable platform always beats a mechanism that mimics a stable platform.

About x10. I still feel that the EXR chip will determine the sales outcome of its success.

 

[Oly5050]

About I.S.

In the end, my end result don't use I.S. and I trained myself not to rely on it too much. If it is shaky then the tripod even monopod will normally do it for me. So the conclusion is that is a physio thing as well as a technical thing. But fast lens is needed to freeze action and I.S. allows slower shutter speed. Never the twain shall meet. If the subject matter is landscape, then there won't be an argument. The thing is people argue here because I use action as the subject matter to base my arguments on. Some people say twilight etc then I know the subject matter is already different. Different subject matter, different settings hence I.S. can be used. In any case, between i.s. and tripod. I choose the later because a stable platform always beats a mechanism that mimics a stable platform.

About x10. I still feel that the EXR chip will determine the sales outcome of its success.

IS has made the tripod and monopod nearly obsolete. If you are happy to carry one and if it really makes your photos better, go with the platform. For me I dun have shaky photos issue at all and I dun see the need to carry a tripod for slow shutter speeds now. But u r right you do not need IS but if it's available and I dun have to pay too much extra for it, I have no issue if it is in my camera. But I dun believe in paying for VR every time I get a lens.

 

[JW73]

IS will not obsolete tripod/monopod. There are still many applications IS does not do the job. If not, it will also made the mirror lock up feature or eevn remote release obsolete especially when dealing to get a sharp picture mounted on a tripod at extreme low speed and long focal length.
I will feel more secure with IS on lens or body. But it's good to know when IS is useful and not, I believe that what Wilwong is trying to explain.

 

[ronin1983]

erm guys, in short. u need it just get it, dont need it , don't get it. no point debating about it. Back to the camera, this is really a very good compact, was planning to get a pen, but this X10 has killed off the idea. haha

 

[Oly5050]

erm guys, in short. u need it just get it, dont need it , don't get it. no point debating about it. Back to the camera, this is really a very good compact, was planning to get a pen, but this X10 has killed off the idea. haha

Why? X10 is nicer looking?

 

[Oly5050]

I din say obsolete. I said NEARLY obsolete. I no longer need to carry a tripod for casual shoots anymore. The only times are perhaps for 1. astrophotography 2. when shooting in low light at zooms in excess of 600 mm (35 mm FOV)
Of course the tripod or monopod has got other uses like chopping a place at F1, or gives you a platform to mount the camera so u dun have to hold it all the time etc, but for times when I need a stability, it has come down to the above 2 reasons.

 

[gundamseed84]

I thought this thread is about X10, not about whether you think IS or monopod is obsolete / marketing purpose etc.

In short, just get whatever you think is useful for you and what is useful for you need not be useful universally. So there is no need to try to prove what the other person's view is right or wrong. It is just personal preference. Why bother about another party's views when the most important thing is you are happy with whatever you get.

E.g.
What if find using a tripod on the body mount used together with another tripod on the lens mount useful and you don't? Doesn't matter right? I don't have to please you with what I do, as long as it works for me and I am happy. So please get back on the topic.

X10 is interesting because of the viewfinder. Personally I am used to shooting through a viewfinder which most compacts lack of so this might be a plus point for me. It might attract people who are used to shooting dslr through viewfinder and wants a compact to compliment it. For other people who wants a compact then x10's looks might attract them, though the lens might not (popping out just like when my male dog is excited lol).

 

[swhyge]

Although this thread went off tangent in the middle (sorry to the initiator), I did not sense that anyone was trying to say that the party was outright wrong. It was a case of different opinions and emphasis. I think this is what forum is about - opposing views, different view angle, etc... and utlimately we all get something out which we may not see by sitting at the bottom of the well. Presenting a constructing argument show that the poster has his self believe/experience/etc, whether right or wrong, you agree or not, is not a bad sign. I m sure you will agree that there are many examples in forums, this included, where parrot just echo some ''his/her guru' without knowing what he is talking about - why ? Wilwon's arugment, though i dun agree in total, wake me on some basic that i did not place enough emphasis on,,,,, etc...same goes for the others

By saying just get what you whatever want, or whatever that works for you or dun need dun get, then where is the group learning experience.? I dun even dun what I need!!!

No offense intended - I just want to learn and I know I am no good!

 

[Oly5050]

Although this thread went off tangent in the middle (sorry to the initiator), I did not sense that anyone was trying to say that the party was outright wrong. It was a case of different opinions and emphasis. I think this is what forum is about - opposing views, different view angle, etc... and utlimately we all get something out which we may not see by sitting at the bottom of the well. Presenting a constructing argument show that the poster has his self believe/experience/etc, whether right or wrong, you agree or not, is not a bad sign. I m sure you will agree that there are many examples in forums, this included, where parrot just echo some ''his/her guru' without knowing what he is talking about - why ? Wilwon's arugment, though i dun agree in total, wake me on some basic that i did not place enough emphasis on,,,,, etc...same goes for the others

By saying just get what you whatever want, or whatever that works for you or dun need dun get, then where is the group learning experience.? I dun even dun what I need!!!

No offense intended - I just want to learn and I know I am no good!

Amen.

 

[happylee]

Extremely tempted by this to replace my compact. Was think abt G12/S95 but this came up.
Like the:
- retro look
- minimal shutter lag
- view finder

Just waiting for it to come in to SG and need to check out the IQ and pricing too!
Keeping a lookout for this!

 

[JW73]

This x10 is definately appealing if one is on shopping list for a high-end compact. However I will stick to my X100. Prefer the larger sensor over the zoom lens. Today, the market is getting more temptation...LOL

 

[ronin1983]

not nicer, jus serves the purpose more of a daily convenient compact which i will love bring out everyday

 

[Anthony Lee]

Anyone has any indicative timeframe when this little dynamite will be available?

 

[sakuragiz]

Heard from one of my Malaysia friend that X10 will be selling at RM1800. Dunno true anot.

 

[SumoBear]

Hi guys....

I am not in tuned with the news of X10, is it available in store and what is the expected price range? It is a seductive gem...