First time processing C-41


Disclaimer : I am a novice when it comes to processing film, recently got hooked on B&W processing and out of curiosity and maybe a tad of stupidity I decide to try color processing. Best not to try and ask me question, most probably I don't know or can't answer them!

Curiosity kills the cat, certainly I hope not in my case. I was reading all these interesting post about film processing and pick up B&W here and elsewhere on the net and to my credit I tried out a total of 3 films with some relative success but nothing to crow about before the C-41 bug hit me. Reading about it sounds intriguing with plenty of risk, then again I don't have any reputation to think off and so why not just give a try. Honestly, looking for data on C-41 on the net is almost a hopeless cause, maybe my google power not that good enough, anyway after a few weeks of research I come to my own conclusion that perhaps Digibase C-41 kit would best suit my purpose. This is where the hole in my pocket gets bigger, this stuff is not cheap to come by, easy enough to source for it and in my instance I got it from macodirect.de. I guess they shipped anywhere if you willing to pay for it and I paid dearly, the shipping cost equals to the Midi kit and 4 rolls of Rollei ISO200 film which is Euro 83... now waiting for that conversion from the credit card company.

My choice for the Digibase C-41 is simply because it claimed to be able to process at a wider range of temperature rather than the almost standard temp of 38degC. I don't have any Jobo processing kit, so this is going to be almost caveman like processing and I'm not going to play around with heated water and etc. My test film are two rolls of Agfa Vista 400, so comes the crucial part, the mixing of the chemicals. According to my "notes" I have to mix the chemicals at 45degC, this is critical, so no choice heat up some water in the tub, and dropped in a bottle of distilled water to be "tempered", but the darn thing won't go beyond 41degC, least to say my patience got the better of me and I mixed all the chemistry at 40degC!!

With all the chemistry mixed and ready to go, it's time to roll up the films into the processing tank... I have done this a total of 3 times before, the first was smooth for a virgin, the 2nd and 3rd time there was a snag and for the this time it took me nearly half and hour to get it right for the first roll :sweat: I was cursing under my breath and my wife was giving me that :think: look and my kids was going :what:, anyway how do most of you guys did this? Do you use cotton glove or something because when I was fondling the film in the dark, I'm pretty sure I rough it up quite alot. The 2nd roll was a bit easier elsewhere, so I'm just gonna put the blame on the film reel ;) . With that done, it's time to monitor the chemicals, it was like 30degC in the early evening but I had to go somewhere and only got back around 10pm before I start my processing and by then the temperature dropped 0.5deg. I did my calculation for the timing, darn no 29.5degC in my time chart, so with a little adjustment I start the developer process and set my time for 9min 37sec, I somehow felt that with all the mishap I going through, most probably this experiment will end up with a zero success rate.

So there I go, processing color film, not in my wet bathroom but a totally dry living room! I did get my bottles all ready for used and unused chemicals, sure got a bit bloated with the downed bottled mineral water! Half and hour latter I was down to my last process, the stabilizer part..heck, decide to take the risk and add wetting agent to the stabilizer right at the last minute. Finally the moment of truth, the unveiling of the processing tank, actually I was expecting the worse out of it but to my pleasant surprise the negative came out orange in color and OMG, I can see images and I see colors! Hang them to dry and went to sleep and only this morning did I get a chance to take a close look at it and did some scanning and here is the result:-

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This is directly from the scan, no post processing at all.

In a nutshell, darn exciting process and perhaps my beginners luck is with me, the two rolls of film didn't come out like crap! The Digibase C-41 is doable in normal room temperature, saves heap on heating up water and etc and if a perfectly novice guy like me can do, so can others and perhaps those guys with a little bit of patience can get a better result and you certainly don't need state of the art processing equipment like the Jobo to get this done! The only prohibitive factor would be the cost...so as to will I keep on doing this? The anticipation and the whole process is stimulating enough to want more, it can be addictive but let me try out this first batch of chemicals and see how many rolls I can squeeze out before I decide to burn another hole in my pocket.
 

Sounds really exciting! I'm also into film but havent developed anything myself yet. Keep up the good work and share with us your results!
 

Sounds really exciting! I'm also into film but havent developed anything myself yet. Keep up the good work and share with us your results!

Don't wait any longer, go for it! Developing your own film brings a personal engagement to your photography whatever the turn out to be, good or bad.

Anyway I drop two rolls of film for my first development, both are Agfa Vista 400. One roll was shot with my SLR and the other is shot with my newly acquire RF. This is from the RF, which I just got it from Chiif, he loaded up the film for me and this is my first shot on RF

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Don't mind the composition, I was just too excited shooting with the RF.

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Look closely and you can see the marks of abuse I gave to the film, loading on to the reel :embrass:

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Images are direct from scanning, no post processing so perhaps sifus can spot any error in my development process, other than my poor photography!
 

These are on the second roll taken with the SLR, less abuse on the film as well.

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I have another roll waiting to be developed. This time it will be the Digibase CN200 Pro by Agfa.
 

congrats! i also want to try C41 someday... now still doing B/W processing only.
 

My next film process was the Digibase Pro 200 which I got from macodirect.com as well to make up the minimum amount. Guess my beginner's luck run out on me but it's kind of hard to pinpoint the fault. The negative came out more bluish than orange as i record my first failure with C41!

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The minute I start to roll out the film from the canister on the reel, something tells me this is going to be a big challenge. First and foremost the film felt thin as compared to the first Agfa Vista. The film was processed at 30.5 deg C, after the stabilizer I know something is certainly wrong because I don't see any orange mask on the negative and it's more black or blue something similar to a black & white roll of film out of the tank. The mask is brownish in color. The troubleshooting indicate that the "bleach and fix" time is under, so back goes the negative into the reel and another round of bleach and fix with an extended 30 sec add on, unfortunately the result was still the same and I decide to hang this film to dry and see what the scan will reveal.

Perhaps I was too ambitious in trying out the Digibase film but then this was already in my SLR. The scan indicates that the film was overexposed, the film was too thin after drying out. There are a few possibilities which I would attribute to the outcome, mostly my fault. The Digibase film is not DX coded and I didn't set the ISO to 200, and the last film in my SLR was the Agfa Vista 400.

I'm not convince that my processing was incorrect, so this roll of film will go down as trial and mostly error so will have to reflect on my timing chart again and try out the optimum processing timing for the Digibase C41 at room temperature. Will have to finish off another roll of film and try again, hopefully there is nothing wrong with my chemicals.
 

Just I want to update on my findings, the film Digibase CN200 Pro that I've used and my statement
.... certainly wrong because I don't see any orange mask on the negative and it's more black or blue something similar to a black & white roll of film out of the tank.
Is actually incorrect, this film is actually an unmasked color negative film, with a nominal sensitivity of ISO 200 and I'm not suppose to see any orange mask..:confused:

So I can only say at this point the outcome is due to poor photography...
 

Did you reuse your developer?
 

Nope, using the balance of the dev from the 1 L mixed.

if i am not wrong... could be the developer itself?

cos i will get coatings too if i attempt to developer a color film with a b/w developer haha.
 

MagnumLite said:
Nope, using the balance of the dev from the 1 L mixed.

the developer shelf life is very short after mixing part A, B and C. I hope u did store in compressible containers that can displace off the air. Lastly, how long was the time stored from the time u mixed to this last development.
 

if i am not wrong... could be the developer itself?

cos i will get coatings too if i attempt to developer a color film with a b/w developer haha.

Well there is always that probability....... another roll of film will be able to determine this, soon enough till this weekend so that I can finish off my existing roll and test this theory.

the developer shelf life is very short after mixing part A, B and C. I hope u did store in compressible containers that can displace off the air. Lastly, how long was the time stored from the time u mixed to this last development.

Been looking for that compressible containers all over but can't find any:angry: The chemicals were mixed on 25 July 2012, I got the midi kit which is for 1L and I mixed them all up and put in your normal 1.5L pet bottles. The first time process uses up 600ml for 2 rolls of 135X36 and the second another 300ml for a single roll of 135X36. I separate the first process [600ml] from the leftover and after the second processing, they all goes back in the same container. So now I have 1L of chemicals with 3 rolls of film process. The next roll will be re-using the chemicals as a second go.
 

I need to find those containers as well. My HC-110 changed colour already
 

I need to find those containers as well. My HC-110 changed colour already

That's about right, anyone any idea where in Singapore to get those accordion bottles? Perhaps should do a MO if there is enough people looking for the containers.;p
 

I need to find those containers as well. My HC-110 changed colour already

When I opened my fresh HC-110, I quickly divided it to smaller glass bottles. Almost 1 year, and it's still yellow :)

Those accordion bottle is more suitable for mixed chemical such as D76 working solution IMO.

For Accordion Bottle Users
 

Why not process at the optimum temperature?

All you need is a thermometer and a water bath with a kettle of hot water.

I've been doing e6 processing at home and have no trouble keeping my chemicals at 38 degrees.

I premix my chemicals in bottles, then when it's time to process I just keep them in a small pail of hot water to warm them up.
 

Why not process at the optimum temperature?

All you need is a thermometer and a water bath with a kettle of hot water.

I've been doing e6 processing at home and have no trouble keeping my chemicals at 38 degrees.

I premix my chemicals in bottles, then when it's time to process I just keep them in a small pail of hot water to warm them up.

Good question, why not?

This is just the novice me, I've look on the logistic and all I have is one medium size tub. Fill it up with heated water and drop in all the smaller bottles of different chemicals and they start to float around...:bigeyes: Getting them in and out of the tub to the development tank and back again to where they once come from and ....just messy and knowing me I will drip water all over the place and my wife would kill me for messing up the home...

So I guess my experiment is to see if there is an easier route of processing C41 without having to heat up the chemicals to the optimum temp which should be the correct way of doing things. I do intend to do it this way at least once and compare the result, but have to wait for my wife to be away from home longer, just enough time for me to clean up the house..
 

When I opened my fresh HC-110, I quickly divided it to smaller glass bottles. Almost 1 year, and it's still yellow :)

Those accordion bottle is more suitable for mixed chemical such as D76 working solution IMO.

For Accordion Bottle Users

Point noted, far more easier to get marbles here than the accordion bottle :thumbsup: and cheaper as well.
 

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