finepix F10
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Couple of points to add to discussion :
* 1GB Olympus XD card (can't find Fuji) $185 nett from AP, on credit card.
* I charged the battery overnight (around 10 hours) on the day I got the camera, today I'm at 600 shots (about 10% with flash), and I still get a "full" indicator on the battery icon ... and this is after about 4-5 downloads.
Astonishing ...
* 1GB Olympus XD card (can't find Fuji) $185 nett from AP, on credit card.
* I charged the battery overnight (around 10 hours) on the day I got the camera, today I'm at 600 shots (about 10% with flash), and I still get a "full" indicator on the battery icon ... and this is after about 4-5 downloads.
Astonishing ...
chenchengcai
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ericp said:
agree, i was surprised when i see the pretty small sized batt is at 1950mah! :bigeyes:
simply amazed...
ericp said:
The 1GB is a good buy - I'm already regretting getting only 512MB (& to think at first I just wanted to get 256MB as I was quite hesitant about the xD format and with my current CF investment). The video mode takes up lots of space, and with the F10 I am shooting more than I was with the S50! (good noise control and long battery life been reasons I guess...)
ericsoon72
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obrag said:
i agree with obrag and should have gotten a 1GB card instead! din noe it costs only abt $185 for a 1GB card compared to the 512MB which i got for around 110.
ericsoon72 said:i agree with obrag and should have gotten a 1GB card instead! din noe it costs only abt $185 for a 1GB card compared to the 512MB which i got for around 110.
The 512MB was what I set out to get as well, until I got quoted the 1GB price from AP in SLS ... and coupled with the fact that you can pay with credit card, made it a no-brainer.
And to think that another shop (well-regarded by some CS'ers as a place with good pricing) quoted me $135 "best price" for 512MB.
At long last ... 700 shots now, and one bar down on the power indicator
ericp said:At long last ... 700 shots now, and one bar down on the power indicator
Haha, I think we can start some sort of Top-of-the-Chart extreme-sport game: see who can squeeze the greatest amount of shots/juice out of a fully-charged F10. Or embark on the most extreme photo trip like going deep into Amazon jungle for 1 month with F10 + only 1 batt :bsmilie:
obrag said:
Ha ha ... farnee ... but it's good to share what we can get out from the cam. I guess all our shooting styles are different, and someone using, say, high speed shooting all the time plus 50% flash will get less. Conversely, someone shooting purely without flash should get more.
ericp said:
Actually thought really came across my mind... was thinking of trying my luck and go Japan for a week without the battery charger :sweat: Will report my 'trial' if I do go ahead...
Last time my problem with S50 was battery running out before I finish filling up the 512MB CF; now I fill up the 512MB even before my battery goes down by 1 bar.... funny world
obrag said:Actually thought really came across my mind... was thinking of trying my luck and go Japan for a week without the battery charger :sweat: Will report my 'trial' if I do go ahead...
Last time my problem with S50 was battery running out before I finish filling up the 512MB CF; now I fill up the 512MB even before my battery goes down by 1 bar.... funny world
what about a spare battery, any idea how much will it cost?
Finally a compact with a workable iso800
and f2.8!Snowcrash said:
I reconciled with that fact after I tried it... slimmer/lighter body than S70, better images IMHO at all ISO, better video+audio recording, grid line in LCD, faster startup, equally solid shell etc. I think the xD crossover is a small price to pay. Moreover for me, my initial choice of S70 cost about $800, so the F10 with a 512MB xD card still cost less.
(Just keep fingers crossed and hope next xD Fuji/Olympus is worthy successor ;p )
grantyale
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I helped a friend to purchase one and it was with me yesterday.
Compared with 300D, F10 seems to have the same ISO sensitivity but longer exposure due to the tendency to expose to the right. -2/3EV gives me similar exposure readings and final results to 300D, but of course, noise gets worse with -EV. Judging from the noise in darker areas at ISO 800, the signal to noise ratio is not better than older cameras like G3 at ISO 400, which is under rated and is equally sensitive as F10's ISO 800. The effectiveness of noise reduction is limited but shooting at 3mp (downsampling) setting does make the pictures smoother.
The autofocus algorithm on this camera is a little...shall I say different? It starts everytime from the nearest possible distance and hunt towards infinity. Speed is ok though.
Build is good and handles pretty well for its size.
Compared with 300D, F10 seems to have the same ISO sensitivity but longer exposure due to the tendency to expose to the right. -2/3EV gives me similar exposure readings and final results to 300D, but of course, noise gets worse with -EV. Judging from the noise in darker areas at ISO 800, the signal to noise ratio is not better than older cameras like G3 at ISO 400, which is under rated and is equally sensitive as F10's ISO 800. The effectiveness of noise reduction is limited but shooting at 3mp (downsampling) setting does make the pictures smoother.
The autofocus algorithm on this camera is a little...shall I say different? It starts everytime from the nearest possible distance and hunt towards infinity. Speed is ok though.
Build is good and handles pretty well for its size.
grantyale
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Drudkh, you didn't get my point.
I was comparing automatic exposure readings between the two cameras and relative noise levels at different exposure settings on F10 itself. Signal to noise ratio is enhanced by pushing exposure to the right with the potential of overexposure, and noise is further depressed digitally at the expense of high frequency spatial signals.
Putting it simple and straight, F10 is very nice for its size and price but there's nothing too good about its signal to noise ratio when compared with digiacams of similar CCD size.
I was comparing automatic exposure readings between the two cameras and relative noise levels at different exposure settings on F10 itself. Signal to noise ratio is enhanced by pushing exposure to the right with the potential of overexposure, and noise is further depressed digitally at the expense of high frequency spatial signals.
Putting it simple and straight, F10 is very nice for its size and price but there's nothing too good about its signal to noise ratio when compared with digiacams of similar CCD size.
grantyale said:
Even at ISO400 (more like equivalent to ISO600 thereabout) the G3 noise is higher. I have seen results, the noise reduction on G3 is also pretty low, hence you get plenty of 'rainbow' noise. On the F10 at ISO800, the noise is more 'greyish' noise, and it is more tolerable. If you look at the pixels on screen, you can argue and argue about sharpness and noise, print to the popular 4R size, and you'll see that the Fuji produces fine pictures, the Canon rather noisy.
The target for sales is not a physics lab whereby exact resolution or pixel-details are so important. The target is the consumer, who is expected to view on screens of 1024x768 resolution or prints to 4R. With these two media, the F10 will do very well.
grantyale said:
Yup, that's the point, at that price, and size, and with such good results (for PC, TV viewing or 4R to 8R prints) delivered, the F10 is really hits the nail as a model that is good value for the money, and comes in a nice size.
grantyale
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Well I didn't mean to push the post to the technical side...
Of course digital noise reduction is better done before JPEG compression or even demosaicking but the in-camera algorithms we've seen so far are still behind those available on computers where computational cost is of less concern.
However, I'm really missing canon S30 if anyone here could recall that. That's what signal to noise ratio in digicams is really about. Why 6,7,8MP?
Happy shooting :-D
Of course digital noise reduction is better done before JPEG compression or even demosaicking but the in-camera algorithms we've seen so far are still behind those available on computers where computational cost is of less concern.
However, I'm really missing canon S30 if anyone here could recall that. That's what signal to noise ratio in digicams is really about. Why 6,7,8MP?
Happy shooting :-D
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