it means that i see and understand your point but you don't understand my point
(or refuse to see things from another view)
and i am giving up trying to explain, so i agree that we disagree.
I do not mean to sound aloof but, i am from the creative industry
and we have our way of thinking. I have been trying to explain it to
the people here but it seems that i have failed.
But i'll try one last time. Here goes nothing...
i did not say i disagree with the sound technical way of things
I too, have also tried it and learned from it.
I noticed that using the formula for a good technical shot
i get images that look the same, so i am experimenting with
a different way of doing things.
I DO NOT purposely try to get less DOF.
Less DOF is a trade off to better lighting and a different pose/angle.
is that clear enough.
Ortega ,
While I applaud you to be creative from whatever creativity industry you are from, please confine those creativity, arrogance and selectivity to your work and the photos you are taking.
Extending those creativity and selective answering to comments and suggestions here does not cut any ice with me .. to quote you
"is that clear enough? " or is just another
"here's nothing to you " too!..
Despite your creative explainations on the of the shallow DOF on just one picture and claiming you do not purposely choosed to have shallow DOF . The very shallow DOF picture is not on just one picture of the spider, it is now your trademark in all your recent pictures.. and that is a fact. Anyone who care to scrutinised them will realised that most of those DOF were by choice and not by circumstances as you so claimed.
So those bla bla ... [
"I have been there done it,I am in the industry for many years, to have soul, to think out of the box , to change ,took only during lunch time , my new setup ,no tripod , I DO NOT purposely try to get less DOF,Less DOF is a trade off to better lighting and a different pose/angle.to balance ambient lights for BG, "are just your creative subtefuges to explain away criticism.
May I put it to you that the narrow DOF was all done due to the limitation of your gears or on your own choosing and purpose. Perhaps,to propound your theorem of creativity, soulfullness, bending the rules , to change , so as to fit your image as being from the creativity world.... it appears that way to me from the loudness of your non stop chanting with those phrases.
To test your work's acceptability that is why you are posting them here and expecting to gain acceptance by the forum. However, to your dismay , certain fundamental remain unchange and unbendable in marketing creativity. The audience's response is not within your control and they are not exactly on the same wavelength from your creative world.
Nontheless, you are using this forum as a test bed for the acceptability and promotion of your concept .... It wun do you any good insisting you just want change , your want soul, and it was for fun, and trying to boost it with "I am in the creative Industry for many years, telling people they are narrow minded for not accepting your creativity, threatening to turn nasty in 2 occasions within this thread when the debate became robust.
The pictures speaks for itself and forumers here are discernable enough to know what is real creativity.... do have respect for other's judgement. BTW, creativity sucks if not many people wanna buy it, and you should know better as you've argue that no customers will return if they are not convinced or satisfied.
Obviously you are not a marketing man and does not take kindly to constructive criticism and refuse to hear out the audience which you are trying so hard to sell your idea to. Any adverse comments and disagreement is an affront to the creativity high chair you are putting youself on...... basically you only want good comments and accolades.....just too bad .
Those later "I like it that way", "for fun ", "to please myself" ", "changes are inevitable ", " I am in the creative industry for many years (which I intepreted as "I know best" ) phrases are lamentable excuses and facades for self consolation and to brush aside adverse comments .The fact is you are trying to sell it by posting it on a public forum, the people here dun have to swallow it wholesale . Worst still, defending it like an untrained salesman , every question/suggestion are explanable and caliming others not listening to you while you do your selective answering to counter comments posted..
It reminds me of the "kor yok" salesman that refute every suggetions that query the efficacy of his kor yok , insist his kok yok is better more effective....no matter what . When run out of rational augurment ,start banging his gong and drowning the crowd behind the loudness of his " creative, soul, change, non conformist " chants!!! From the responses so far you should be clever enough to understand that approach does not quite sell, except to friends and neighbours, perhaps they are just being kind?
So I do understand your points and your wants , you want to be creative , to have soul in your picture, to bend the rules, dun want your pictures to looks like anyonelse , an insect should not look just like an insect, it should have emotion , to sell your creativity ,to be accepted ,that you are creative, and the forumers here to accept them as creative....... alas , you lack the fundamental of marketing skill and the creativity of a top notch salesman! Consult your marketing manager and he might be able to help ....
The real test of acceptance of what you propounded publicly , does not lies with your experience in the creative field or here in the pond of CS macro section, it is out there in the bigger seas. Despite your approach being not very acceptable by some forumers here, do take the challenge and head out there to post in the more reputable forums of your choice as I have suggested ,and gauge their response.
I dare You to take your master pieces to other forums and seek their views....... if not for anythingesle, just for your own satifaction to proof that all the adverse comments here are all wrong and you are right or vice versa.
This newbie dun mice his words.
My comments and recommendations and suggestion still stands
While I applause Mr. Ortega’s attempts in striking out of the box for greater "soul and creativity " in his pictures, all of us have our individual likes and dislikes , at the end of the day it is the perception of those within the immediate vicinity and the larger opinion in the photography world that counts. That is the main reason we are here,posting and seeking feedback and learning together by taping the larger view and experience of others.
It will be the death for the learning curve if one insists one's approach is correct or an acceptable norm, basing on whatever "being there, done it" experience. All of us are but just a grain of sand in the desert of photography experience. Experience are relative ,to be a moutain , one has to be seen and perceived and acknowleged as one.
To better gauge the acceptability of one's creativity or approach ,perhaps Mr. Ortega could consider posting some of his pieces on other local and international photo forums and seek a large pool of impartial opinions. In my humble opinion CS is just another well in the world of photography.
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Yes , change is inevitable but change for the sake of changing without a sound basis or reasons for doing so is at best to meet one's own desire/fancy for change than for the sake of changing for the better.
I have read and seen many good technical photos in the last few months too and the photogs are long remembered for their works by the photography world at large . As a newbie I have not seen sufficient technically sound photos from you to give you credit that you are amongst those that I admire or will be remembered as yet.
However I must admire your steadfastness in sticking to your gun, insisting you are right without any substantiating supports/references from a wider audience.... I am at a loss to find a suitable word to discribe such an attitude, obstination perhaps?
If you deem that your works are just for your own consumption for a creative streak then that is fine, please do so .However, when posted on a public forum it is assumed that you are seeking approval or appraisal for what they are worth. Blanket "disagreeing to agree or agreeing to disagree " is a childish way to answer to feedbacks if you are seriously seeking approval.
