EP3 vs Nex7

[innerzen]

No offence to anyone, the myth that the larger the sensor the better is a myth. My friend who own a digital printing outfit was recently given some photo files to print to 3 ft x 5 ft. The result blown him away with the sharpness, details and colours. He found out it was taken with EP3, without any fanboyism of any brand, he told me these prints blow away most of the APSC and even some FF files.

As for me I am an artist at heart, I think with my heart and feel on my logic, all my pictures I shoot by feel. So when I buy a camera I hold it and let it communicate with me and if it doesn't talk I chose another. Too many photographers are guided by technical propaganda which the real tech is much beyond.

Let your pictures do the talking

 

[NewbieInCS]

As a user of both m4/3 and canon dslr...I appreciate the form factor of the m4/3. It really great for days when you want something light. However, after shooting with both, I feel that the 12mp m4/3 sensor is really behind the larger sensors. Some diehard m4/3 fanboys will probably disagree, but IMHO, viewing on a larger monitor, the m4/3 is not even comparable to the aps-c sensor from 3 years ago. That doesn't mean the m4/3 is not good, it is just not as good. I mean a ff sensor give so much less detail than a medium format sensor, but it doesn't mean the ff is lousy. It is just not as good. Not as good does NOT mean lousy. For what I do, the current sensor is good enough, afterall, the sensor is just a small part of the whole package.

To TS, go for the EP3+20mm pancake if you are just looking for something compact and yet has better IQ than PNS. The jpg processor is really good. I guess you will probably be shooting jpg...The af on EP3 is very fast too.

 

[theITguy]

This is a no brainer that 4/3 and m4/3 sensors will be behind other larger sensors in terms of details.

I have yet to see PEN users that are fanboys trying to claim that their 12mp sensor is superior to that of larger sensors in terms of details.

I have only seen PEN users that like the colour output. I supposed Canon does not offer certain things at similar price points compared to m4/3 and 4/3. Likewise, m4/3 and 4/3 is not suitable for things like serious landscape etc.

In terms of details, maybe I should just try pulling out those Fujifilm slides, which of course has the consistency of great colour accuracy and tonality, something Canon lacks? Can't afford top gear from Canon, but I think PEN offers a far cheaper alternative for people shooting.

As a user of both m4/3 and canon dslr...I appreciate the form factor of the m4/3. It really great for days when you want something light. However, after shooting with both, I feel that the 12mp m4/3 sensor is really behind the larger sensors. Some diehard m4/3 fanboys will probably disagree, but IMHO, viewing on a larger monitor, the m4/3 is not even comparable to the aps-c sensor from 3 years ago. That doesn't mean the m4/3 is not good, it is just not as good. I mean a ff sensor give so much less detail than a medium format sensor, but it doesn't mean the ff is lousy. It is just not as good. Not as good does NOT mean lousy. For what I do, the current sensor is good enough, afterall, the sensor is just a small part of the whole package.

To TS, go for the EP3+20mm pancake if you are just looking for something compact and yet has better IQ than PNS. The jpg processor is really good. I guess you will probably be shooting jpg...The af on EP3 is very fast too.

 

[NewbieInCS]

This is a no brainer that 4/3 and m4/3 sensors will be behind other larger sensors in terms of details.

I have yet to see PEN users that are fanboys trying to claim that their 12mp sensor is superior to that of larger sensors in terms of details.

I have only seen PEN users that like the colour output. I supposed Canon does not offer certain things at similar price points compared to m4/3 and 4/3. Likewise, m4/3 and 4/3 is not suitable for things like serious landscape etc.

In terms of details, maybe I should just try pulling out those Fujifilm slides, which of course has the consistency of great colour accuracy and tonality, something Canon lacks? Can't afford top gear from Canon, but I think PEN offers a far cheaper alternative for people shooting.

Yes I have seen fanboys claiming superior detail...but I wasn't referring to just detail.

And I disagree that the m4/3 is a cheaper alternative. It is a good alternative, but definitely not cheaper, at least not the lens. On the brighter side...at least every lens is stabilized with the body is on the pen.

 

[s598719]

I got a friend who is more into equipment than the actual phototaking itself. He said he is ditching his M9 to get NEX 7 but still using his $18,000 Leica lens.

 

[cannedpineapples]

That's easy to get into. This is, after all, a hobby. I think you'll find this in any hobby- Audio, Photog, the list goes on.

For most people (myself included), a lot more gains are possible through improving composition and (especially) pp skills. Then there is strobing which is a whole other world to think about...

As Thom Hogan writes, he takes photos with at least 5 different camera makers (including the Pen, and some big-ass Nikons). He was referring to making them all consistent in terms of colour, but be it detail, DR, noise, etc, I personally can't tell which of his photos were taken using which camera.

His words: "Small footnote: I shoot with cameras from at least five camera makers. Ever notice that you can tell which camera I used from what I post? No, didn't think so. I have my own values when it comes to color, and I process to those, not something dictated to me by a camera manufacturer."

http://www.bythom.com/2011 Nikon News.htm

 

[pinholecam]

No offence to anyone, the myth that the larger the sensor the better is a myth. My friend who own a digital printing outfit was recently given some photo files to print to 3 ft x 5 ft. The result blown him away with the sharpness, details and colours. He found out it was taken with EP3, without any fanboyism of any brand, he told me these prints blow away most of the APSC and even some FF files.

As for me I am an artist at heart, I think with my heart and feel on my logic, all my pictures I shoot by feel. So when I buy a camera I hold it and let it communicate with me and if it doesn't talk I chose another. Too many photographers are guided by technical propaganda which the real tech is much beyond.

Let your pictures do the talking

Well said and with a smashing picture to bring across the point :thumbsup:

 

[Oly5050]

No offence to anyone, the myth that the larger the sensor the better is a myth. My friend who own a digital printing outfit was recently given some photo files to print to 3 ft x 5 ft. The result blown him away with the sharpness, details and colours. He found out it was taken with EP3, without any fanboyism of any brand, he told me these prints blow away most of the APSC and even some FF files.

As for me I am an artist at heart, I think with my heart and feel on my logic, all my pictures I shoot by feel. So when I buy a camera I hold it and let it communicate with me and if it doesn't talk I chose another. Too many photographers are guided by technical propaganda which the real tech is much beyond.

Let your pictures do the talking

Thanks for sharing.

I am one of those that do not think that it is for a fact that APS-C sensor cameras have better IQ than micro-4/3 or 4/3 sensor cameras. Or rather more specifically, better than olympus m4/3 or 4/3 cameras. I cannot speak for Panasonic altho I do use the panasonic lenses.

I think a large part of it depends on the photographer. And having passed my camera to a few people, I think most people do not know how to use a camera and are not aware of basic camera skills. I believe more in improving the photographer than blaming the equipment for poor results.

Recently, I had the chance to review low light / indoor photos from a D700 and a 5D mark II taken by well experienced users. I did not think that their images were better than what I can take with the 4/3 or micro 4/3 system. The verdict to me is still open, but I will continue to evaluate. Of course, one of these days, when I have the budget, I may get a full frame just to see if it is really that good. But until then, I will squeeze the most I can from the micro4/3. But having said than, I am actually not to the limit of the equipment that I have now. In fact, I dun even shoot in RAW 90% of the time. I guess if I really wanted to maximize it, I would, but the IQ is so good already, that I find shooting RAW to be not worth the hassle on 4/3 systems.

So I am not convinced that there is significant IQ differences between similarly experienced photographers using APS-C and micro 4/3 or 4/3 cameras. I think people who have made such comparisons and said that the APS-C cameras still give better IQ, are probably not using the cameras properly or not utilizing correct light management.

 

[eow]

dun bluff le u are a good photographer, dun tell me u never touch up the abv pic
i does own a m4/3 ,an apsc and a ff
i can tell the differences, between them.
dun show off and tell anyone there no difference between the three just because u are good at post processing yr shot

 

[Ouverture]

I am not any fanboy, I have cameras from all brands and format, including m4/3.

So since m4/3 is so great, does it mean I will now see lots of wedding photographers, landscape photographers, commercial photographers and journalists all switching to m4/3?

It's easy to see who are the fanboys and who are not just by their nicknames and signatures used and who are the ones who often bashing others and praising their m4/3 like god.

 

[cannedpineapples]

This thread, imho, has taken a strange tone. Those who support Olympus/ Panasonic in their nick/ post pictures or comments that support m43 = fanboy; those that have multiple systems = objective.

I value the opinions of the people here. I'm a new m43 user, having upgraded from my iPhone 4 camera. I chose m43 at the time because Oly/Panasonic seemed to have more lenses that were smaller. It's been useful learning about the pros and cons of each system through the posts here, and I've learnt a lot about what kind of user might prefer which system.

Having said that, I think everyone should tone it down a little... We are all to our own opinion, and nobody should be making personal attacks on the poster himself.

 

[stetan]

Don't understand what's the fuss about.

Why can't we all be gracious and accept that

- m43 gives better portabillity
- aps-c give better image quality.

These facts are well accepted by virtually all professional phtotographers world wide.

 

[Ouverture]

This thread, imho, has taken a strange tone. Those who support Olympus/ Panasonic in their nick/ post pictures or comments that support m43 = fanboy; those that have multiple systems = objective.

I value the opinions of the people here. I'm a new m43 user, having upgraded from my iPhone 4 camera. I chose m43 at the time because Oly/Panasonic seemed to have more lenses that were smaller. It's been useful learning about the pros and cons of each system through the posts here, and I've learnt a lot about what kind of user might prefer which system.

Having said that, I think everyone should tone it down a little... We are all to our own opinion, and nobody should be making personal attacks on the poster himself.

Bro, I have never mentioned anything about those owning m4/3s are fanboys but if you notice carefully from the previous postings, some of them has labelled those who did not say good things about m4/3 as other brands fanboys...

I agree with you m4/3 is good as I also own them but it's not as great as god-like (beating APSC and FF) as what some has mentioned which IMO are very misleading.

 

[cannedpineapples]

This word "fanboy" just gets to me. All decisions I've made in my life have come with pros and cons. Different people view the pros and cons differently- which is why, for instance, the iPhone (poorer quality hardware) and the Android (poorer quality app network) continues to have their own advocates.

Just because someone has made the choice in a certain way, for instance, if they in fact find M43 equal to APSC and FF for their own image quality needs and so find M43 to be completely and unequivocally better after taking into account all aspects, doesn't make them an "fanboy" (which comes with the implication that they are irrational, subjective, and oblivious to reason).

So take things easy- everyone sees things differently according to their own needs. This thread has been incredibly helpful for me to understand, for instance, that I should focus first on acquiring innerzen's level of PP skills, before worrying about image quality from a different sensor. Your own conclusions may vary.

 

[NazgulKing]

Honestly, I am using M-mount RF system for the most part now. The 7-14mm/f4 is the only lens I retain on the M4/3 system simply because no other system can beat that combination of compactness and transportability.

I would say that to each his own. And quite frankly, obsessing about image IQ is ridiculous. Take the damn pictures. Be happy with them. And go off and be happy. The image IQ from 4/3 sensors is good enough for most practical purposes anyway.

 

[loneWolff]

This word "fanboy" just gets to me. All decisions I've made in my life have come with pros and cons. Different people view the pros and cons differently- which is why, for instance, the iPhone (poorer quality hardware) and the Android (poorer quality app network) continues to have their own advocates.

Just because someone has made the choice in a certain way, for instance, if they in fact find M43 equal to APSC and FF for their own image quality needs and so find M43 to be completely and unequivocally better after taking into account all aspects, doesn't make them an "fanboy" (which comes with the implication that they are irrational, subjective, and oblivious to reason).

So take things easy- everyone sees things differently according to their own needs. This thread has been incredibly helpful for me to understand, for instance, that I should focus first on acquiring innerzen's level of PP skills, before worrying about image quality from a different sensor. Your own conclusions may vary.

Haha. Lucky no one called me a fanboy, they just say my skill sucks.

 

[innerzen]

My great apologies if I sound like a fanboy. In fact I am not , the last few months I have been looking for another system to jump to. I tested D700, Pentax K5. I did a head to head test with K5 vs my E5 .

What I said is a good image is not determined by sensor itself and those who always argue that my sensor is larger therefore IQ is better is wrong. Good IQ pictures come from the entire system, starting from the lens , the sensor and the imaging engine to name a few, but more to it. Those who say Medium format is the ultimate is correct because they have a whole system to back the need of that huge sensor. ( And BTW I did some shooting with Hasselblad's 40 mp too which is available to me to use when I request for it)

My friend who did the image print is one of the top IQ image printer and he examine pixel to the "nanos" ( a little exageration to stretch the point) and I was fortunate to hear ( and saw the print) from his experience on what and how propaganda sells from the real truth. he knows the truth because he sees the truth everyday.

Those who owns all 3 system and see better pictures of FF over 4/3 , please I just say it is not just from the sensor size. Many factors involve. ( and I am not saying FF is not better than APSC or 4/3).

My final point is buy what make you feel best, feel confident, feel creative and dun let "technical spec" decieve you. check all your pictures from your Computer screen and not camera screen. The camera that give you the joy just bto hold it give you extra stimulus on your creative faculty too.

Finally please look at my picture, not much PP, just some bluring and coloring enhancing on the cloth. The model's skin tone is what made me stay with 4/3 .........for the time being.

 

[Oly5050]

dun bluff le u are a good photographer, dun tell me u never touch up the abv pic
i does own a m4/3 ,an apsc and a ff
i can tell the differences, between them.
dun show off and tell anyone there no difference between the three just because u are good at post processing yr shot

So in your opinion, FF is better than APSC which is better than m4/3 because of larger sensor size?

In any case, if the image is crap, there is only so much PP you can do to make it better. You mean to say that this 4/3 image can PP to become better than FF image?

 

[Oly5050]

My great apologies if I sound like a fanboy. In fact I am not , the last few months I have been looking for another system to jump to. I tested D700, Pentax K5. I did a head to head test with K5 vs my E5 .

What I said is a good image is not determined by sensor itself and those who always argue that my sensor is larger therefore IQ is better is wrong. Good IQ pictures come from the entire system, starting from the lens , the sensor and the imaging engine to name a few, but more to it. Those who say Medium format is the ultimate is correct because they have a whole system to back the need of that huge sensor. ( And BTW I did some shooting with Hasselblad's 40 mp too which is available to me to use when I request for it)

My friend who did the image print is one of the top IQ image printer and he examine pixel to the "nanos" ( a little exageration to stretch the point) and I was fortunate to hear ( and saw the print) from his experience on what and how propaganda sells from the real truth. he knows the truth because he sees the truth everyday.

Those who owns all 3 system and see better pictures of FF over 4/3 , please I just say it is not just from the sensor size. Many factors involve. ( and I am not saying FF is not better than APSC or 4/3).

My final point is buy what make you feel best, feel confident, feel creative and dun let "technical spec" decieve you. check all your pictures from your Computer screen and not camera screen. The camera that give you the joy just bto hold it give you extra stimulus on your creative faculty too.

Finally please look at my picture, not much PP, just some bluring and coloring enhancing on the cloth. The model's skin tone is what made me stay with 4/3 .........for the time being.

I appreciate you sharing this experience and comparisons. Do not let the anti-fan boys stop you from sharing. I personally am not convinced that larger sensor equals to better IQ. But the people who spout this like it is the bible truth seem to believe it. I wonder if they have done real world comparisons to see for themselves or they are just happy to pass this myth on and on and on. I have spoken to professional photographers and what I get is that its not so ... larger sensor alone, does not mean better photos. There are indeed many factors involved and the photographer alone, is one big factor, as well as the lens quality. I would love to meet your friend so that I can print some photos. Hahaha! Is he expensive?

 

[iguoh]

I appreciate you sharing this experience and comparisons. Do not let the anti-fan boys stop you from sharing. I personally am not convinced that larger sensor equals to better IQ. But the people who spout this like it is the bible truth seem to believe it. I wonder if they have done real world comparisons to see for themselves or they are just happy to pass this myth on and on and on. I have spoken to professional photographers and what I get is that its not so ... larger sensor alone, does not mean better photos. There are indeed many factors involved and the photographer alone, is one big factor, as well as the lens quality. I would love to meet your friend so that I can print some photos. Hahaha! Is he expensive?

No one would argue that it is the photographer that makes a difference to the quality of the photo. The point here is that with the same photographer, which system would allow him/her to take better photos. To me, there is no doubt that FF is better than APS-C which is better than m43. I have owned all three and still have a D700 as well as an E-P3. I have been trying hard to ditch my FF system and just have the m43. Somehow, the quality is still not there. And so if I need quality, I take out my D700. If I need portability, I bring out the E-P3.