EP3 vs Nex7

[MichaelLee]

I'm getting the NEX 7 when its released. To me, while the EP3 is a very good camera, it isn't even a shadow of the NEX 7 technology wise. Now I'm not saying that you can't take similar or better pictures with an EP3, but c'mon 24MP Exmor sensor and 1024x768 EVF.... its a generation ahead of everyone, Samsung, Fuji, Olympus, Panasonic... Leica owners are even dumping their M9 for this while they wait for their M10.

I am all for EVIL now, and thinking of 2nd EVIL system to go with my m4/3 setup.
Agree that NEX7 is a pretty good cam, the problem is the limited choice of E mount lens. Unless one is comfortable with MF and mount other lens on Nex. Alternative, I am also considering Samsung NX200. The latest NX lens, for example, 85mm f1.4 and 16mm f2.8 looks pretty look and good on the spec.

 

[tsammyc]

wong_se, do check out the peaking focus function. Makes it a snap to manual focus. Also in terms of lens investment, buying Canon, Nikon and Pentax lens to use with NEX 7 is cheaper in the long run because if you buy and sell used, you hardly lose anything. However, I'm quite interested in the first high quality E mount lens, the Zeiss 25mm. However, it will be about $1K

I've seen nice pictures from Samsung, but would generally not want to build up a large Samsung lens collection.

 

[julianseah99]

Still leaning towards the nex7. May have a mate that's going to Tokyo, worth getting it from Japan instead of waiting for the Sg launch?

 

[MichaelLee]

wong_se, do check out the peaking focus function. Makes it a snap to manual focus. Also in terms of lens investment, buying Canon, Nikon and Pentax lens to use with NEX 7 is cheaper in the long run because if you buy and sell used, you hardly lose anything. However, I'm quite interested in the first high quality E mount lens, the Zeiss 25mm. However, it will be about $1K

I've seen nice pictures from Samsung, but would generally not want to build up a large Samsung lens collection.

I can't shot with MF, so bopian to buy the original lens. I rather loss out a bit on B&S rather than suffer heartpain seeing every pic out of focus.

 

[Oly5050]

I am just asking. Everyone says that APSC sensor cameras have better IQ than EP3. In wat way? Of course just compare the package - u with your nex and lens, n another with Ep3 with m4/3 lens. Sensor size is only one factor but things like system optimization, lens, processing also affect. Tell me. Is it just an urban myth or wat?

 

[loneWolff]

I dunno about NEX-7 but I did a panoramic shot with NEX-3 verse my GH-1 and the NEX-3 provided me with a better contrast and color rendition with lesser iso even when it is set at iso 200 for NEX against iso 100 for my GH-1.
Of course it is using jpg and not raw so the result might have been different if it was raw.

 

[MichaelLee]

I dunno about NEX-7 but I did a panoramic shot with NEX-3 verse my GH-1 and the NEX-3 provided me with a better contrast and color rendition with lesser iso even when it is set at iso 200 for NEX against iso 100 for my GH-1.
Of course it is using jpg and not raw so the result might have been different if it was raw.

contrast - can be adjust during processing.
color rendition - not able to comment on GH1. on m4/3, I always prefer Oly color.
noise - admit m4/3 sensor lost out to APS-C. So noise is the only concern. have you visited Abbas 45 years into photographey photo exhibition at National Art museum ? None of the pic can make it. All of his pic has very high noise level.

 

[pinholecam]

I am all for EVIL now, and thinking of 2nd EVIL system to go with my m4/3 setup.
Agree that NEX7 is a pretty good cam, the problem is the limited choice of E mount lens. Unless one is comfortable with MF and mount other lens on Nex. Alternative, I am also considering Samsung NX200. The latest NX lens, for example, 85mm f1.4 and 16mm f2.8 looks pretty look and good on the spec.

NEX-5n colors seem better than the earlier models. Its a good thing, but to me it also can mean that the Sony has no fixed standards at the moment when it comes to keeping to a color fidelity (even if this is only an internal spec).
(ie. they can tweak color o/p every model as they please)
I await further samples from DPR and IR to see if the color improvement is true.
NEX7 does seem to be the one to watch.
The unfortunate thing about NEX are the lenses. They are not small. The new ones that are on the road map are not small either.
No cheap, fast, small lenses (<f2.8) like the 14/2.5 and 20/1.7 at the moment and immediate future.
You'd have to pay for the high end Zeiss if you a bit small and fast and that is only one lens.
This seems to be their lens strategy across DSLR as well as NEX series.
MF is the way to go for NEX with the peaking focus, as many have found and chosen for their other brand lenses.


For me, I wait out to see if cheap small primes become avaliable before making any decision (maybe 2 years).
I know I don't need good ISO performance above 6400. In other words, current NEX-5n performance will suffice, so wait for the price to drop till its dirt cheap.
In the meantime, I just play with my K5 and GF1.


Samsung does seem to 'have it right' when if comes to smaller lenses for APS-C mirrorless.

I am just asking. Everyone says that APSC sensor cameras have better IQ than EP3. In wat way? Of course just compare the package - u with your nex and lens, n another with Ep3 with m4/3 lens. Sensor size is only one factor but things like system optimization, lens, processing also affect. Tell me. Is it just an urban myth or wat?

Its a significant difference.
You can compare samples here :
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
You can also check out DPR.

Better dynamic range from the APS-C sensors too.
That translates to better highlight/shadow correction in PP.


On the other hand though, for the same DOF, the APS-C camera has to stop down more, therefore ISO needs to increase accordingly.

 

[Snapperbox]

I am just asking. Everyone says that APSC sensor cameras have better IQ than EP3. In wat way? Of course just compare the package - u with your nex and lens, n another with Ep3 with m4/3 lens. Sensor size is only one factor but things like system optimization, lens, processing also affect. Tell me. Is it just an urban myth or wat?

Isnt it an obvious arguement between FF and APSC sensors as well? It's no brainer that bigger sensors will always have their advantage. Period.

 

[Oly5050]

Isnt it an obvious arguement between FF and APSC sensors as well? It's no brainer that bigger sensors will always have their advantage. Period.

Hahaha....have you actually compared images? I mean real world images taken by people with APSC cameras and compared? Not just studio type kind of comparisons?

 

[tsammyc]

I can't shot with MF, so bopian to buy the original lens. I rather loss out a bit on B&S rather than suffer heartpain seeing every pic out of focus.

With peaking focus, you just turn the focus until what you want to focus on turns red in colour. Then shoot. I am extremely long sighted and I can even focus without my glasses on when everything looks blur but the picture comes out sharp

 

[tsammyc]

have you visited Abbas 45 years into photographey photo exhibition at National Art museum ? None of the pic can make it. All of his pic has very high noise level.

Haha. 45 years ago, no digital camera & no colour either and they call it "grain" not noise

 

[Oly5050]

NEX-5n colors seem better than the earlier models. Its a good thing, but to me it also can mean that the Sony has no fixed standards at the moment when it comes to keeping to a color fidelity (even if this is only an internal spec).
(ie. they can tweak color o/p every model as they please)
I await further samples from DPR and IR to see if the color improvement is true.
NEX7 does seem to be the one to watch.
The unfortunate thing about NEX are the lenses. They are not small. The new ones that are on the road map are not small either.
No cheap, fast, small lenses (<f2.8) like the 14/2.5 and 20/1.7 at the moment and immediate future.
You'd have to pay for the high end Zeiss if you a bit small and fast and that is only one lens.
This seems to be their lens strategy across DSLR as well as NEX series.
MF is the way to go for NEX with the peaking focus, as many have found and chosen for their other brand lenses.


For me, I wait out to see if cheap small primes become avaliable before making any decision (maybe 2 years).
I know I don't need good ISO performance above 6400. In other words, current NEX-5n performance will suffice, so wait for the price to drop till its dirt cheap.
In the meantime, I just play with my K5 and GF1.


Samsung does seem to 'have it right' when if comes to smaller lenses for APS-C mirrorless.






Its a significant difference.
You can compare samples here :
http://www.imaging-resource.com/IMCOMP/COMPS01.HTM
You can also check out DPR.

Better dynamic range from the APS-C sensors too.
That translates to better highlight/shadow correction in PP.


On the other hand though, for the same DOF, the APS-C camera has to stop down more, therefore ISO needs to increase accordingly.

Thanks for the link. Its a photographic test situation. But I will take it. But practically, I would like to see preferable, people with both APSC and 4/3 cameras doing a test themselves.

Anyway, you tell me which one has the best and worst image quality here. I have collaged 3 photos together. You can rate them 1 for best, 2 for good, 3 for worst. Hehe.

 

[tsammyc]

I am just asking. Everyone says that APSC sensor cameras have better IQ than EP3. In wat way? Of course just compare the package - u with your nex and lens, n another with Ep3 with m4/3 lens. Sensor size is only one factor but things like system optimization, lens, processing also affect. Tell me. Is it just an urban myth or wat?

All things being equal, size matters, so if you use the same Leica M lens on both NEX and M43, the NEX will have an advantage, but sensor technology is also an issue. The G3 and GF3 have different generation sensors, so the G3 will have a better picture. The NEX 7 sensor is (at low ISO) now being compared with full frame sensors in ability to render detail. So APS-C has caught up with full frame in one area at least. I'm sure the 100MP M43 sensor in 2016 will easily outperform full frame sensors today....

 

[tsammyc]

Anyway, you tell me which one has the best and worst image quality here. I have collaged 3 photos together. You can rate them 1 for best, 2 for good, 3 for worst. Hehe.

On my iPhone 3GS they look almost exactly the same!! However, the left most one is the most natural and the rightmost one is horribly oversharpened and looks completely artificial. The one in the middle is well, in the middle. They also seemed slightly out of focus. Did you take these?

 

[Oly5050]

All things being equal, size matters, so if you use the same Leica M lens on both NEX and M43, the NEX will have an advantage, but sensor technology is also an issue. The G3 and GF3 have different generation sensors, so the G3 will have a better picture. The NEX 7 sensor is (at low ISO) now being compared with full frame sensors in ability to render detail. So APS-C has caught up with full frame in one area at least. I'm sure the 100MP M43 sensor in 2016 will easily outperform full frame sensors today....

Hahaha! Thats the problem with the Nex7. Sony seems to have forgotton that the megapixel race is over. Who wants to deal with 24 megapixel file???!!! My 12 megapixel jpeg file is already 7 MB!!

I would rather have good 12 megapixels of good light information versus 24 megapixels of crap light information. I am not a professional so I do not need to deal with that kind of thing. Haha!

 

[tsammyc]

Hahaha! Thats the problem with the Nex7. Sony seems to have forgotton that the megapixel race is over. Who wants to deal with 24 megapixel file???!!! My 12 megapixel jpeg file is already 7 MB!!

I would rather have good 12 megapixels of good light information versus 24 megapixels of crap light information. I am not a professional so I do not need to deal with that kind of thing. Haha!

Yes, but I'll also rather have 24 megapixels of good light information than 12 megapixels of good light information. I have still have an excellent 3MP Canon, which makes excellent small prints, but don't think I would use it today...

30 years from now, when your grandchildren are viewing your shots on a 10,000 x 10,000 dot display, they are going to say "Grandpa had a really crap camera in those days"

 

[loneWolff]

contrast - can be adjust during processing.
color rendition - not able to comment on GH1. on m4/3, I always prefer Oly color.
noise - admit m4/3 sensor lost out to APS-C. So noise is the only concern. have you visited Abbas 45 years into photographey photo exhibition at National Art museum ? None of the pic can make it. All of his pic has very high noise level.

I have to admit contrast can adjust in post but there are some situation that doesn't allow such luxury.
Yes, Oly colors definitely is better and probably second to my favorite... fujinon colors.
Paiseh, I didn't go and see.
I should have done that, if given another chance I will.

 

[MichaelLee]

With peaking focus, you just turn the focus until what you want to focus on turns red in colour. Then shoot. I am extremely long sighted and I can even focus without my glasses on when everything looks blur but the picture comes out sharp

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Not about eyesight issue, I have perfect eyesight. Confirmed many times liao by the doctor who did my LASIK. &#61514;
When I dump away DSLR, and in mirrorless, I only shot with fixed focal lens. What I like is one hand shoting&#8230;

With MF focus, it occupy my left hand, which I dun like. I am old man, I need my left hand to hold on walking stick.

 

[MichaelLee]

30 years from now, when your grandchildren are viewing your shots on a 10,000 x 10,000 dot display, they are going to say "Grandpa had a really crap camera in those days"

Can I assume that today you look at what Gordon Parks/Ansel Adam/Ernst Haas shot 30years ago with 60inch LED TV, all are crap picture. Right ?