Turbonetics
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i agree with u.
EOS 70D officially announced and previewed
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i agree with u.
Turbonetics
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I had seen many reviews showing how good the camera performs at certain ISO level and even with cropped reviews, and was convince. But when I really own the cameras, it's always not the same. Not as good as what most reviews wrote. Not sure is it just me or what?
Ditto here. My experience is with the OM-D. All the reviews indicate the OM-D is as good as APS-C at high ISO. Even DXOMark seems to say that. But when I shoot RAW and review the OM-D images, they are rather noisy even at ISO 1600. :dunno:
Turbonetics
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That's why for camera noise performance, I don't rely too much on the Internet reviews.
I don't expect a big jump in noise performance against its recent models or even it's predecessor.
azurebluee
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had a chance to play with it earlier. normal focusing and live view autofocus is pretty quick with the 18-55stm lens. the wifi set up took abit of time but transfer of files was quite seamless.
87 L jpg continous before the buffer kicked in. 14 raw continuous before the buffer kicked in. Wasn't sure what card was used in the body though.
a marked improvement from the 60D. BBB
87 L jpg continous before the buffer kicked in. 14 raw continuous before the buffer kicked in. Wasn't sure what card was used in the body though.
a marked improvement from the 60D. BBB
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Any chance to test autofocus (live view) on a non stm lens like the widely used 24-70 & 70-200?
azurebluee
Senior Member
I supposed you could ask the staff to test out with other lenses. They are a friendly bunch.
Currently using a 10-22mm usm. I believe for USM, the live view af speed for still photos should be abit quicker based on some articles I came across: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3217548. STM lens however, has the edge if you are doing videos. Focusing was near silent and was very smooth.
Currently using a 10-22mm usm. I believe for USM, the live view af speed for still photos should be abit quicker based on some articles I came across: http://www.dpreview.com/forums/thread/3217548. STM lens however, has the edge if you are doing videos. Focusing was near silent and was very smooth.
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Really impressed by the 70D, took it out for it's very first serious use today, here's a test shoot done indoor with ISO400, 17-55 and 35 1.4 (Sigma)
https://www.facebook.com/shen.hongkai/media_set?set=a.10151876007120668.1073741841.594410667&type=1
Used 600D and 5DmkIII previously, obvious it's not as good as 5d3... but it has borrowed some of the proven technology. Compared to 600D without saying it's much much better, esp Live view AF, with the 17-55, it work wonders, feels almost like using a FF. Thing is if you post process ur fotos, the end product difference is negligible for the average man like myself. 70D file size is smaller n less demanding on the PC, added advantage haha. 7 fps is impressive, most pple would not have expected such high frame rate on a enthusiast lvl camera.
ISO usability is really good,
test shot at iso 10,000... (needed AF assist beam from trigger, havn't tried the internal one)
iso 3,400, comparable to iso 400 or 800 on my old 600D
https://www.facebook.com/shen.hongkai/media_set?set=a.10151876007120668.1073741841.594410667&type=1
Used 600D and 5DmkIII previously, obvious it's not as good as 5d3... but it has borrowed some of the proven technology. Compared to 600D without saying it's much much better, esp Live view AF, with the 17-55, it work wonders, feels almost like using a FF. Thing is if you post process ur fotos, the end product difference is negligible for the average man like myself. 70D file size is smaller n less demanding on the PC, added advantage haha. 7 fps is impressive, most pple would not have expected such high frame rate on a enthusiast lvl camera.
ISO usability is really good,
test shot at iso 10,000... (needed AF assist beam from trigger, havn't tried the internal one)
iso 3,400, comparable to iso 400 or 800 on my old 600D
Live view PDAF is supported by almost all Canon lenses except for the ancient ones. Non STM lenses are just not as silent as the STM ones.
Note that 3rd party lenses are also NOT compatible with live view PDAF.
Really? I was just watching this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zc58udMp3Lw
Review of 70D with Sigma 18-35/1.8
The reviewer in the above clip did not perform a thorough test.
In the link I provided, Canon already points out that old Canon lenses are partially supported: initial acquisition by PDAF but final confirmation by CDAF. For third party lenses (e.g., my new copy of Sigma 30 f/1.4 HSM (Art)), the support is the same as for old Canon lenses.When live view AF servo is turned on (i.e., continuous AF), initial PDAF is activated. So, one will observe the same response if a similar test is performed. However, if one performs a half press on the shutter button when a 3rd party lens is attached, the camera next goes through the 'slow mo' contrast detect AF. It's obvious and unmissable.
No such behavior for supported Canon OEM lenses.Impressive! I agree detail wise ff body will edge out. But for the price, 70d really look excellent !!!Really impressed by the 70D, took it out for it's very first serious use today, here's a test shoot done indoor with ISO400, 17-55 and 35 1.4 (Sigma)
https://www.facebook.com/shen.hongkai/media_set?set=a.10151876007120668.1073741841.594410667&type=1
Used 600D and 5DmkIII previously, obvious it's not as good as 5d3... but it has borrowed some of the proven technology. Compared to 600D without saying it's much much better, esp Live view AF, with the 17-55, it work wonders, feels almost like using a FF. Thing is if you post process ur fotos, the end product difference is negligible for the average man like myself. 70D file size is smaller n less demanding on the PC, added advantage haha. 7 fps is impressive, most pple would not have expected such high frame rate on a enthusiast lvl camera.
ISO usability is really good,
test shot at iso 10,000... (needed AF assist beam from trigger, havn't tried the internal one)
iso 3,400, comparable to iso 400 or 800 on my old 600D
86proshooter
Member
Luckily just now at Showroom, not much of people hence I got plenty of time to play around the 70D.
One thing I dislike about demo unit is that much of the settings have been change especially
why would they set the image quality at S1?
No doubt S1 will save lots of memory since the image size is rather small but when newbies
shoot they will feel that the image is so so cuz at S1 is only 5 Megapixel.
Anyway I set it to Large + RAW much like how I normally shoot, one think I like about the 70D is that....
Canon EOS 70D is very fast in my hands as if I using a 1DX, LOL!
I'm not exaggerating seriously as I practise shooting 5 different places in the showroom with 70D, 6D and 5D mark iii. (Too bad no 1DX LOL!)
The Canon EOS 70D locks on the subject very fast(Mainly I target other customers, the showroom staff and banners around the room.),
switching from one subject is very swift.
6D and 5D mark iii both takes a while before it can lock onto the target. (6D is no doubt slower compared with both 5D mark iii and 6D.)
This is rather useful especially for sports and fast-pace photography. Other than speed, the 70D 19 AF point tracks and pin-point
correct point to focus much like how 7D AF works.
IQ wise on camera is ok to me given the fact it is using the revised Canon EF-S 18-55mm IS STM lens so far didn't noticed any
poor IQ. On ISO part, 70D is a beast I pump it up to 6400 ISO noise and further. Image isn't that noisy, maybe due to digic 5+ processor.
However this ISO performance is inconclusive, I will need to buy it and test it further.
I really like the 70D cuz it's a very swift camera and I like the 19 point AF.
Now I'm stuck between 70D and 6D, 5D mk iii is out cuz frankly my budget does not allow.
The main factor between these two camera that I'm considering is the lens.
70D is crop sensor while 6D is full frame. Raydio can you advice me further?
One thing I dislike about demo unit is that much of the settings have been change especially
why would they set the image quality at S1?
No doubt S1 will save lots of memory since the image size is rather small but when newbies
shoot they will feel that the image is so so cuz at S1 is only 5 Megapixel.
Anyway I set it to Large + RAW much like how I normally shoot, one think I like about the 70D is that....
Canon EOS 70D is very fast in my hands as if I using a 1DX, LOL!
I'm not exaggerating seriously as I practise shooting 5 different places in the showroom with 70D, 6D and 5D mark iii. (Too bad no 1DX LOL!)
The Canon EOS 70D locks on the subject very fast(Mainly I target other customers, the showroom staff and banners around the room.),
switching from one subject is very swift.
6D and 5D mark iii both takes a while before it can lock onto the target. (6D is no doubt slower compared with both 5D mark iii and 6D.)
This is rather useful especially for sports and fast-pace photography. Other than speed, the 70D 19 AF point tracks and pin-point
correct point to focus much like how 7D AF works.
IQ wise on camera is ok to me given the fact it is using the revised Canon EF-S 18-55mm IS STM lens so far didn't noticed any
poor IQ. On ISO part, 70D is a beast I pump it up to 6400 ISO noise and further. Image isn't that noisy, maybe due to digic 5+ processor.
However this ISO performance is inconclusive, I will need to buy it and test it further.
I really like the 70D cuz it's a very swift camera and I like the 19 point AF.
Now I'm stuck between 70D and 6D, 5D mk iii is out cuz frankly my budget does not allow.
The main factor between these two camera that I'm considering is the lens.
70D is crop sensor while 6D is full frame. Raydio can you advice me further?
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I have 5D3, 6D and 70D. Will be selling one of them naturally.
You need to ask yourself what you shoot most? FF is good for super shallow DOF portraits and landscape while cropped sensors are good for wildlife and insect macro. For casual photography, cropped sensor offers the most versatility, with high quality lenses at low cost (e.g., 18-55 IS STM, 55-250 IS USM, 60 USM macro).
You can decide your lenses after that.
86proshooter
Member
I have 5D3, 6D and 70D. Will be selling one of them naturally.
You need to ask yourself what you shoot most? FF is good for super shallow DOF portraits and landscape while cropped sensors are good for wildlife and insect macro. For casual photography, cropped sensor offers the most versatility, with high quality lenses at low cost (e.g., 18-55 IS STM, 55-250 IS USM, 60 USM macro).
You can decide your lenses after that.
Sell to me than, LOL!
I shoot mostly landscape, portraits and sometimes events.
I now narrow down to either 6D or 70D but I like the AF system of 70D as it's not only fast but also accurate.
Sounds like full frame is better for you, based on what you shoot mostly.
AF on both 6D and 70D are equally accurate (although my copy of 70D has severe front focusing for all my lenses... will get it calibrated at CSC). But 70D AF points are better distributed.
86proshooter
Member
I guess 6D for me, next week I'm having an event so probably I will rent 6D to try it out.
raydio
Senior Member
My main advice to you is not to get caught up with crop sensors vs. full frame sensors. It's unfortunate that people feel that full frame cameras are on a higher plain than crop cameras. It really doesn't matter. The 70D (crop) and the 6D (full frame) are made for two different markets. The first, 70D, is made for sporting, wildlife and events photography while the second, 6D, is made primarily for portraiture, landscape and product photography.
You've indicated that your primary use for a camera is for landscape and portrait photography with the occasional events. With this in mind, the obvious choice for you, which doodah has already surmised, is the Canon 6D.
If your heart is set on getting the 70D however, there is no shame in buying it. I remember years ago a reviewer had posted both 7D and 5D2 photos and asked the online community to guess which photo came from which camera. It was almost impossible to discern which photo came from which camera. Both the 70D and 6D are more than capable cameras and will be able to produce high quality photos for years to come. My advice to you (as well as Doodah's) is to get the Canon 6D based on your shooting preferences. However the 70D will serve your needs almost as well.
86proshooter
Member
Thanks, I will get Canon 6D than. Thanks Raydio and doodah for your advice.
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