tane0019
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Ok no prob.
Don't know that my comments will offence the brand worshiper here [emoji12]
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E-M1 Mark II
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Ok no prob.
Don't know that my comments will offence the brand worshiper here [emoji12]
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I'm not sure people took offense. Just that your remark seem to have missed the whole point and strengths of an E-M1.2
Comparing it to a FF based only on the high ISO IQ and DR is like stating the obvious.
For those keen on official hands-on with Olympus, can sign up here, first come first serve basis.
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1644188
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1644188
None taken, and I'm sure you can worship Sony on the other side of the forum too. I had use Sony, Fuji, Olympus (mostly this), Panasonic btw, and I can't really say any of these camera these days is an "octopus" in your terminology (and pardon my level of english I don't understand the slang for the use of "octopus" here). Understanding the strengths and weaknesses of any system is always essential, sometimes, it's not just about camera even. Good luck on the other side. But if you keen to try out the EM1 Mark II, there's a hands-on here. This camera is a beast to handle, unfortunately, I haven't really know how to use it to it's full strength.
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1644188
tane0019
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Not worshiping Sony cam -> in fact don't even have them.
Got a EM10 & EM5ii + a few lens from Oly. Just not happy that they can price the EM1ii so high.
OK ok, apologizes for being so native here. Ultimately already invested so much in M43.
But technically, what are the main diff comparing to Panasonic GX8 to warrant US$1K more?
FYI, not slang la: Olympus when I'm happy. When I'm angry (for examples, feeling like been treated as a carrot), it will become the other word
Got a EM10 & EM5ii + a few lens from Oly. Just not happy that they can price the EM1ii so high.
OK ok, apologizes for being so native here. Ultimately already invested so much in M43.
But technically, what are the main diff comparing to Panasonic GX8 to warrant US$1K more?
FYI, not slang la: Olympus when I'm happy. When I'm angry (for examples, feeling like been treated as a carrot), it will become the other word
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Just for the sake of discussion.
I had a chance to try out Sony Alpha a7 II with a fixed lens, 50mm I think, in Sept'16 one hazy Sat. I was told it was a full frame (FF) sensor type. If you took the escalator down from their showroom, there was a spot when the daylight illuminated it.
I noticed when the shoppers walked into that spot only 1 or 2 people lit up. I took one shot in Auto mode and later switched to Manual, fixed the aperture and jack up the shuttle speed.
Eventually I managed to get those low key street photo where one person face very bright, the nearby people in the shadow. I did not even set spot metering.
Until then, I thought FF was good for night photography and easier to get bokeh effect. And I was wowed.
The Alpha a7 II not much bigger than EM1.
Hence I hope EM1 Mark III will come with a FF sensor then.
EisMann
I had a chance to try out Sony Alpha a7 II with a fixed lens, 50mm I think, in Sept'16 one hazy Sat. I was told it was a full frame (FF) sensor type. If you took the escalator down from their showroom, there was a spot when the daylight illuminated it.
I noticed when the shoppers walked into that spot only 1 or 2 people lit up. I took one shot in Auto mode and later switched to Manual, fixed the aperture and jack up the shuttle speed.
Eventually I managed to get those low key street photo where one person face very bright, the nearby people in the shadow. I did not even set spot metering.
Until then, I thought FF was good for night photography and easier to get bokeh effect. And I was wowed.
The Alpha a7 II not much bigger than EM1.
Hence I hope EM1 Mark III will come with a FF sensor then.
EisMann
blurboiboi
Senior Member
a pro version of the sony a7 series prob will spot EM1ii specs... however the body px also prob will be in the range of the Leica Q's considering A7rii is close to 4k...
Not worshiping Sony cam -> in fact don't even have them.
Got a EM10 & EM5ii + a few lens from Oly. Just not happy that they can price the EM1ii so high.
OK ok, apologizes for being so native here. Ultimately already invested so much in M43.
But technically, what are the main diff comparing to Panasonic GX8 to warrant US$1K more?
FYI, not slang la: Olympus when I'm happy. When I'm angry (for examples, feeling like been treated as a carrot), it will become the other word
Specs wise, it's a huge improvement and comparison of specs wise, it's actually decent, considering for example, the XT-2, it has rolling shutter and the price is not a lot different. Which camera can give you up to 15fps mechanical shutter speed? Only D5 and 1DxMKII, how much are they? At least 8k. At the end of the day, lets all discuss in peace. Too expensive? Cannot justify? Don't buy. Can justify? Need it? Buy. Need it, cannot justify, I cannot help you liao lol
I agree with Blurboiboi. Not to mention that the lenses are bigger and heavier even though the body is not much bigger. How much are the lenses in contrast? How much better do they perform?
For example, the M.ZD 12-40mm f2.8 PRO lens weighs 382g and costs USD$999 on Adorama. The Sony FE 24-70mmG costs USD$2198 on Adorama and weighs 983g. That's quite a big difference. Sure you can say that you're paying for the high ISO and shallower dof, fair enough, but how often do you shoot at a high ISO that m43 cannot perform at today? Shallow DOF is often a problem for me as I always want a deeper dof. I don't want to focus at f1.2 on a FF camera, breathe, click and it's a little of focus. No thank you
Purely for discussion sake, if I were to get a new system now, comparison between the m43 set up and a FF setup from Sony
This is just one aspect to consider. True that A7s II will have a better performance in low light than the OM-D pretty much always, but I prefer to have a better ergonomics. Sony A7s II lose in some aspect to the E-M1, and is also better in some aspect, almost USD $1k difference. So how about comparing to a closer competitor? Fuji X Pro 2
Fujifilm is closer to Olympus, but again, they have their pros and their cons. Ultimately, if you have the budget, the need or want, go for it. If you don't, whatever camera is available today is still competent. Don't buy the E-M1 Mark II, Olympus will be forced to do something to keep up sales. Complaining about it will not solve anything. Most important is to shoot more
- Olympus OM-D E-M1 MKII (USD$1999.99)[574g]
- M.ZD 7-14mm f2.8 PRO (USD$1299) [534g]
- M.ZD 12-40mm f2.8 PRO (USD$99) [382g]
- M.ZD 40-150mm f2.8 PRO (USD$1499)[760g]
- Sony A7s II(USD$2998) [599.03g]
- Sony Vario Tessar T& FE 16-35 f4 (USD$1348) [518g]
- Sony FE 24-70mm f2.8 GM (USD$2198) [983g]
- Sony FE 70-200mm f2.8GM (USD$2598) [1480.1286g]
This is just one aspect to consider. True that A7s II will have a better performance in low light than the OM-D pretty much always, but I prefer to have a better ergonomics. Sony A7s II lose in some aspect to the E-M1, and is also better in some aspect, almost USD $1k difference. So how about comparing to a closer competitor? Fuji X Pro 2
- Fujifilm X-T2 (USD$1599) [440g]
- Fujifilm XF 10-24mm f4 (USD$999) [410g]
- Fujifilm XF 16-55mm f2.8 (USD$1199) [655]
- Fujifilm XF 50-140mm f2.8 (USD$1599) [995]
Fujifilm is closer to Olympus, but again, they have their pros and their cons. Ultimately, if you have the budget, the need or want, go for it. If you don't, whatever camera is available today is still competent. Don't buy the E-M1 Mark II, Olympus will be forced to do something to keep up sales. Complaining about it will not solve anything. Most important is to shoot more
tane0019
Member
If mk2 really can match the pro DSLR on the AF speed/accuracy on moving object (across & in/out of the frame) + still maintain AF performances at not idea light condition -> then the asking price is really justify.
This will be very critical for bird shooter and sport photography.
Else, the 300mm f4 pro lens and the new Pana 100-400mm Leica lens got no much use except to only shoot static objects.
This will be very critical for bird shooter and sport photography.
Else, the 300mm f4 pro lens and the new Pana 100-400mm Leica lens got no much use except to only shoot static objects.
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titus1984
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Switch from em1 to a7 and back. The sensor is better for sure but the weight and size is almost the same as dslr. I think it is fair to say the AF is not as fast as olympus. I have tried a6000 and a7r2, good but somehow not as speedily in single AF. CAF is there for a7r2 but I won't say a big difference to EM1. Before I annoy anyone, that's my experience. I decided the AF and weight out weigh the slightly better AF for the iso range I usually shoot in.
Now the question is whether to get the EM1 mk2? Likely I will because the technology will be relevant and meet my needs for the next 2 to 3 years and I am able to tap on some discount.
Now the question is whether to get the EM1 mk2? Likely I will because the technology will be relevant and meet my needs for the next 2 to 3 years and I am able to tap on some discount.
Not worshiping Sony cam -> in fact don't even have them.
Got a EM10 & EM5ii + a few lens from Oly. Just not happy that they can price the EM1ii so high.
OK ok, apologizes for being so native here. Ultimately already invested so much in M43.
But technically, what are the main diff comparing to Panasonic GX8 to warrant US$1K more?
FYI, not slang la: Olympus when I'm happy. When I'm angry (for examples, feeling like been treated as a carrot), it will become the other word
For me, having the E-M1 and the GX8, I already see the difference in the AF and responsiveness. I like both but for still photography, the E-M1 is so much better. I can only see that improving with the E-M1 Mk II, especially with 121 focus points and an extra processor core dedicated to auto focus.
I hope that the 4K video will be as good as that of the GX8, but the GX8 is a bit sluggish, as if Panasonic didn't put enough processing power into it.
As far as the Sony A7 Mk II goes, I see it like this: the A7 Mk II is great for photographing flowers but the E-M1 Mk II will be great for photographing flowers travelling on a lorry going 100 km/h.
It remains to be seen how the AF perform with erratically moving subjects but for predictable but fast moving subjects, the EM1.2 appear to perform very well.
Have a look at Robin Wong's blog review, especially the MotoGP series. Here we have fast moving subject coming towards the frame shooting with a fast telephoto lens. One of the better demonstration of the new AF capabilities I've seen so far.
I'm sure you're joking but it's not the size of the body but the size of the mount. m43 mount can't accommodate FF sensors.
I don't think its a question AF/Tracking capabilities are improved with the EM1 MK2, but just a weird thought all of a sudden how far tech has brought us and have our skills caught up with how far tech has moved.
overworked
Senior Member
Hi
It always amuse me when people comment and complain about prices of new cameras, whether it is justifiable to priced it at $XXX. If u need it or want it, it does not matter, u will buy it. whether the camera shoots 30 fps or it has no LCD screen, it does not matter. If too ex, do not buy now. Price always comes down when new model comes out, or when sales is bad and the company realize the price is to high. If u want to be pioneer and early adopter, then do not complain about the price. If u are happy with X brand, stay with X brand and don't complain about Y brand price too high. If u like Y brand but do not want to pay the price, move on. Let us take more photos instead. Most cameras nowadays are more than sufficient for your needs.
chill
It always amuse me when people comment and complain about prices of new cameras, whether it is justifiable to priced it at $XXX. If u need it or want it, it does not matter, u will buy it. whether the camera shoots 30 fps or it has no LCD screen, it does not matter. If too ex, do not buy now. Price always comes down when new model comes out, or when sales is bad and the company realize the price is to high. If u want to be pioneer and early adopter, then do not complain about the price. If u are happy with X brand, stay with X brand and don't complain about Y brand price too high. If u like Y brand but do not want to pay the price, move on. Let us take more photos instead. Most cameras nowadays are more than sufficient for your needs.
chill
Absolutely. The AF tracking for the mk II will definitely be better but we just don't know exactly how much better just yet. Put it in the hands of an experienced sports or wildlife shooter and we'll get a better idea.
Whether our skills are adequate to fully exploit the new AF capabilities is another matter. Come to think of it, most cameras these days will probably exceed many of our personally skill set in some areas, not just AF. But improved technology can sometimes compensate for our deficiencies.
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