E-330 horizontal banding and lackadaisical Oly support

[cjtune]

I guess Nikon must be secretly using NMOS in their D200 as well then ... and Canon too since their 5D and 20D etc are also known to have banding problems.

I have cancer but I feel OK because I know that 100 million others have cancer too!

But didn't Canon and Nikon had like concerted efforts to address the banding issues on their affected DSLRs?

 

[VSonic06]

But didn't Canon and Nikon had like concerted efforts to address the banding issues on their affected DSLRs?

Nikon openly addressed the D200 interference noise issue. Ditto for Canon. Olympus chose to ignore the problem.

 

[tomcat]

Olympus may not have made much effort in addressing or identifying the cause of the problem but that does not mean that the real cause of the banding problem is the sensor and nothing else. Affected users who keep insisting ad nauseum that the problem is caused only by the sensor and nothing else are really not helping themselves any especially when Olympus acceded to their wishes to change the sensor and the problem is still not solved.

That said, I do think it's only right that Olympus exchange the camera body of those users who have a serious banding problem.

 

[cjtune]

Affected users who keep insisting ad nauseum that the problem is caused only by the sensor and nothing else are really not helping themselves any especially when Olympus acceded to their wishes to change the sensor and the problem is still not solved.

I don't know about Blu, but I didn't specifically insist on having my sensor changed. I just gave a general wish to have the problem fixed. They came up with the idea of changing my sensor, and it had at least the blessing of their Japan HQ. One reason it took rather long to address my issue initially, I was told, was that they were waiting for a response from Japan on what the heck to do.

 

[CYRN]

I have cancer but I feel OK because I know that 100 million others have cancer too!

But didn't Canon and Nikon had like concerted efforts to address the banding issues on their affected DSLRs?

hav u tried using different lenses. IIRC, canon issue was partially due to using continuous focus with certain lens.

 

[Blu-By-U]

Oh me...I too did not ask for a sensor change. In fact I told the engineer it may be something else but I did mention that all so far know olympus and similar cameras to have banding are with the NMOS. The changing of sensor was also from Japan.

The banding happends on all my lens including a fully manual mirror lens.

I like this CJ's analogy of the whole thing.

 

[cjtune]

hav u tried using different lenses. IIRC, canon issue was partially due to using continuous focus with certain lens.

I have mentioned that I have, in the past posts in this thread, and I'll add that I have been using fully-manual Zuiko OM lenses too.

 

[beancurdjelly]

Nikon openly addressed the D200 interference noise issue. Ditto for Canon. Olympus chose to ignore the problem.

my 20 cent view.. I think to use 'IGNORE' is inappropriate.

I had been following this thread closely, coz as a kiasu new e500 owner, i am also concern how Olympus handle issue.

and from CJ's case and Blu's case, i feel they are really trying their best to solve this proble m..

 

[Blu-By-U]

Don't worry. There have been no report of banding issues with the E-500.

As for noise, all cameras produce noisy pictures at high ISO. Even a 35mm film. So what's the problem. Luckily this noise can be easily remove/ soften on digital and a lot harder to rid of in film.

 

[cjtune]

As for noise, all cameras produce noisy pictures at high ISO. Even a 35mm film. So what's the problem. Luckily this noise can be easily remove/ soften on digital and a lot harder to rid of in film.

Yeah, I don't mind 'old-fashioned' noise too, and software nowadays are getting really good at removing that sort of noise. Plus, I have been using faster lenses and better techniques to NOT to use beyond ISO800.

Also, the bands are a deterministic pattern and cannot be categorised as noise. So actually it's not a problem about high ISO noise. If you've seen the early L1 picture samples, the high ISO images are creamy smooth but has weird diagonal and vertical stripes that made it look as if it was printed on ancient papyrus paper.

 

[cjtune]

and from CJ's case and Blu's case, i feel they are really trying their best to solve this proble m..

For my case, I am satisfied with the resolution. For Blu's case, it's quite shabby.

 

[wind30]

For my case, I am satisfied with the resolution. For Blu's case, it's quite shabby.

I think cjtune's new E330 is quite acceptable. My E330 also doesn't has much banding.

Although the E500 doesn't has banding, the ISO noise of the E500 is higher than that of the E330, compared with RAW files with zero noise reduction.

 

[holidaydom]

I'd have to agree - I shoot mainly on ISO100 and on 1-2 sec exposures I'll see multiple "color dots" type of noise.

This mainly occurs on exposires that are more than 1 sec such that noise starts to become a problem but are less than 2 sec and so the NR doesn't kick in... ;p

Oh well - "if you can't have what you want, learn to want what you have"

 

[Blu-By-U]

Should I then learn to accept them bandings then? Then present to my clients EXTRA pattern on their pictures...say it's "one of a kind" and only available from my E-330.

 

[CYRN]

I have mentioned that I have, in the past posts in this thread, and I'll add that I have been using fully-manual Zuiko OM lenses too.

oic, there's 1 more 'suspect' at least from electrical point of view... have you tried disabling the ccd shift thingy? use that with manual lens and see if it helps isolate the problem... juz a suggestion only.

 

[Blu-By-U]

What CCD shift thingy? What else can we disable when a manual lens is in use?? I tested it with a fix aperture mirror lens and I still got the banding. Tried with mode B tried with mode A manual everything including throwing away my handphone. :dunno: Even outdoors away from any electrical interference.

 

[cjtune]

ccd shift thingy?

Ooh, this is new to me. "CCD Shift Thingy"?
What's that?

 

[Blu-By-U]

Is he thinking of the anti dust? if so, it does not go on after the initial power up. Also there is no way we can bypass this. It's the bread and butter of Olympus dSLR.

 

[VSonic06]

my 20 cent view.. I think to use 'IGNORE' is inappropriate.

I had been following this thread closely, coz as a kiasu new e500 owner, i am also concern how Olympus handle issue.

and from CJ's case and Blu's case, i feel they are really trying their best to solve this proble m..

cjtune and blu's experience certainly didn't seem like Oly was "trying their best".

 

[CYRN]

Is he thinking of the anti dust? if so, it does not go on after the initial power up. Also there is no way we can bypass this. It's the bread and butter of Olympus dSLR.

oic.. then really cannot self help liao.