E-330 horizontal banding and lackadaisical Oly support


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This banding perharps doesn't bother most users... tat's wat i think.
 

Because most users don't shoot at ISO1600 -2EV perhaps? :)
 

Yes... personally that's why i feel i'm not so bothered by it. I'm sure some others also.
 

Because most users don't shoot at ISO1600 -2EV perhaps? :)

That's reasonable. But -2EV regions do occur in the shadows. Again I must stress EV is a relative value at any point in a scene. Just try to avoid plain shadowy areas and most of the patterns should go unnoticed until some curves adjustment is made in Photoshop.

I guess Oly cams are not for the moody photographer with a penchant for low-key photographs?

I am starting to repeat old posts again...
 

In that case, I really don't have a banding problem as many of my images have dark shadowed areas and I tend to post-process every image to death in my workflow and never notice banding patterns forming. On the other hand, maybe I'm becoming blind from old age... in which case it is a blessing in disguise as I won't be stressed to my death worrying about and looking for band patterns. ;)
 

In that case, I really don't have a banding problem as many of my images have dark shadowed areas and I tend to post-process every image to death in my workflow and never notice banding patterns forming. On the other hand, maybe I'm becoming blind from old age... in which case it is a blessing in disguise as I won't be stressed to my death worrying about and looking for band patterns. ;)

Ah, the blindness disclaimer... You can't fight old age. :bsmilie:
Try the -2EV against a plain wall trick at ISO1600 and you'll see.
I have never failed to surface bands using this method. Maybe a ceiling fan in the scene would help?
The above is for your own academic interest if you have time to burn.
Basically for everyday usage, I have to put it that the bands will be noticeable only occasionally and against plain features and so is liveable with.
 

tomcat... you should not have mentioned the eyesight thing... I am starting to need bifocals too! Sigh... I wish we men really age like wines but I think when they said that, they meant the barrel.
 

came across this on dpreview.

Banding issues on the E410 and E510.


'E-410/E510 Horizontal Banding with Brightness Object '
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/readflat.asp?forum=1022&thread=23773230

I posted my samples exhibiting this NMOS phenomenon 2 weeks ago.

p6130436os7.jpg

(look at the sides where there are bright text on the projection screen)

Some more bandy pics (taken ISO 400/800, manual exposure)

http://img263.imageshack.us/img263/9716/p6120239kg0.jpg

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/1209/p6130423kh3.jpg
(observe the curtain at the left of the projection screen menu bar)

Outdoor shots are OK except for the reduced dynamic range of the NMOS sensor. Good grief I wasn't shooting those photos for any kind of commercial job or I would be :hung: .

I hope Oly engineers either continue working REALLY HARD on this problem (clean up the amplification circuits?) or use Kodak's LV-capable sensor on their next body (and also work really hard to make sure this banding problem doesn't happen anymore).

Fortunately I no longer have the E-510 (good riddence...phew...*hug my E-1*).
 

I stared at your pics until my eyes started to see stars also cannot see what you are seeing that's so bad. Blessed is he who cannot see, I guess. :)

I have seen that picture (MAC seminer shot) posted a couple of times but I also cannot see any banding on my MAC LCD....

I can see banding on the dpreview samples though.
 

I stared at your pics until my eyes started to see stars also cannot see what you are seeing that's so bad. Blessed is he who cannot see, I guess. :)
And yet, there is at least one famous pro photographer who have no qualms about using the E-510 to make his money shots. :dunno:
http://www.nwpphotoforum.com/ubbthreads/information/php/2007_Reviews/Isaac/Oly510Review.php

Your eyes are getting old, time to trade up for a new pair or adjust the gamma setting on your display.
 

Your eyes are getting old, time to trade up for a new pair or adjust the gamma setting on your display.
Didn't know that nowadays even 'eyes' could be traded up. :what:
 

Here's another one adjusted to a lower gamma (1.8 instead of 2.2) so the banding is more obvious.

p61303602jr1.jpg
 

I see it now. Frankly this is quite a serious issue I think.

Appears at ISO400.... The new P1 is supposed based on the same sensor as the E510.....
 

I see it now. Frankly this is quite a serious issue I think.

Appears at ISO400.... The new P1 is supposed based on the same sensor as the E510.....

I was so hopeful of the E-510, went out to get one the day it was in stock (hey I'm Oly supporter :vhappy: )... now it turns out to be such a disappointment :bheart:

I notice these problems with ghosting/banding (and narrow RAW dynamic range) to be a common trait in bodies using NMOS sensors. Hopefully this would be magically fixed in the P1 but I am very doubtful as long as they continue using NMOS.
 

In that case, I really don't have a banding problem as many of my images have dark shadowed areas and I tend to post-process every image to death in my workflow and never notice banding patterns forming. On the other hand, maybe I'm becoming blind from old age... in which case it is a blessing in disguise as I won't be stressed to my death worrying about and looking for band patterns. ;)


Same for me; I'm really hard-pressed to see the bands.

The bands I've noticed at ISO1600 on my 410 doesn't show up on print, so all cool here.
 

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