Does all the photographers behave or request in this way?
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scandal599
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alright guys chill and step back for a moment.
this issue here has been by far one of the most serious allegations made against a ptger on an open forum no less.
while we have inputs from across channels from models, proxies and organisers, short of the ptger himself.
i am taking a very neutral stand in this so till further evidence can be gathered and proven otherwise, very much of what I am reading now is based either in hearsay or circumstantial evidence.
right now, I am just waiting for some more testimonies to come forth. at this point, rather than flame bait or passing inflammatory comments, i will suggest that the T/S can provide a gist of the convo AND not the sordid details if there are any so that it does not affect this thread in graphic way.
as I have said, we are looking at a prima facie case here. till facts are found and established, then we will and can make the call if he is a guilty or we are just barking up the wrong tree.
this issue here has been by far one of the most serious allegations made against a ptger on an open forum no less.
while we have inputs from across channels from models, proxies and organisers, short of the ptger himself.
i am taking a very neutral stand in this so till further evidence can be gathered and proven otherwise, very much of what I am reading now is based either in hearsay or circumstantial evidence.
right now, I am just waiting for some more testimonies to come forth. at this point, rather than flame bait or passing inflammatory comments, i will suggest that the T/S can provide a gist of the convo AND not the sordid details if there are any so that it does not affect this thread in graphic way.
as I have said, we are looking at a prima facie case here. till facts are found and established, then we will and can make the call if he is a guilty or we are just barking up the wrong tree.
so, let's just say, some little girl got bored and decided to find a photographer to smear
what about what AhV is saying?that there has been precedence? that there is someone known to do such things - are you going to say, in your humble opinion, that counts for nothing? :dunno:
Everything said, and done, counts for something in life.
Of all people, you should know that better.
The question is, what, and in which direction.
For the record, I do not know the TS nor do I know AhV and neither have we had a single post between us. I also do not have anything for nor against TS nor AhV. Let's at least be clear on that.
Also, I do not see anything positive coming out of this discourse nor my further participation in such threads.
To quote a well-loved phrase, ktksbai!
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CYRN
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flipfreak
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hiakz. i give up. outta here. :angel:
Static
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BINGO ! you have a very 'young' mind
Hmm.. yap. No need to reveal more details for others to enjoy the popcorn.
I hope those who are unaware, pls shut up and sit down !
Ok jokes aside.
Maybe it's time for those affected models to step out and make their voices heard.
I ve 'finished my popcorns'..so I am outta here
... but I dare say as a responsible member, I do keep Darren abreast on latest findings or whenever there is a 'situation' ... or whenever there are dodgy members amidst us. The 'in' word these days ... AWARE -ness:devil:..so that when s.h.i.t. hits the fan, at least, you have an umbrella ;p ..... peace !
jawzsg
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:thumbsup:.. many may not realized that the entrapped victim may leave the police station without going through the report, crying and cursing her fate coz she can't risk letting her parents & dear ones in the light of things...
I would go along with NM on taking better precautions to keep photography and genuine photographers in better respect.
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foxwagon
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What?!!!
i tink i have read engh to start my post here. I am pretty much convince and had verify it myself with another friend of mine...
It is true that this guy stated as the above approach gals to shoot in the studio for his portfolio.
The happening as follows to a female friend of mine who was happen to be contacted in her email to do a shot with him. Over the email, he stated that the shoot will be done in half lingerie as requested by my friend, She requested for a model release and not to upload to his portflio. He agreed also.
As the dates drew near, my female friend had not receive the model release form to her even on the eve of the shoot and he called her on the phone trying to persuade her to do a full lingerie shoot and allow him to upload.
On hearing that. She repeated what she told her on the previous email .. and she wants to cancel it.
He told her , Cannot cancel "Bcos Studio Book alredy " he was preying on her guilt. So I told her that since he have defaulted on the intiate agreement, then you dun have to carry out yours also.
She was later scolded by him for being irresposible.
All these conversation was told to me by my friend on the day itself ,, she even have sent me the sms from him to her.
A few days later . I met up with my friend for tea and we went thru the comments that was given on his website.. we notice that the style of writing have been similar thru out. and there are numbers of times that the "visitor counter" on the site was reset over the last few days, Cos I visited it a few day ago and now it was reset to Zero . I dun know if that was possible . But why ?
It is true that this guy stated as the above approach gals to shoot in the studio for his portfolio.
The happening as follows to a female friend of mine who was happen to be contacted in her email to do a shot with him. Over the email, he stated that the shoot will be done in half lingerie as requested by my friend, She requested for a model release and not to upload to his portflio. He agreed also.
As the dates drew near, my female friend had not receive the model release form to her even on the eve of the shoot and he called her on the phone trying to persuade her to do a full lingerie shoot and allow him to upload.
On hearing that. She repeated what she told her on the previous email .. and she wants to cancel it.
He told her , Cannot cancel "Bcos Studio Book alredy " he was preying on her guilt. So I told her that since he have defaulted on the intiate agreement, then you dun have to carry out yours also.
She was later scolded by him for being irresposible.
All these conversation was told to me by my friend on the day itself ,, she even have sent me the sms from him to her.
A few days later . I met up with my friend for tea and we went thru the comments that was given on his website.. we notice that the style of writing have been similar thru out. and there are numbers of times that the "visitor counter" on the site was reset over the last few days, Cos I visited it a few day ago and now it was reset to Zero . I dun know if that was possible . But why ?
bEnd1ck
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I'm not siding either party, but I think theres a big difference between your friend's experience with the photographer, and what has been alleged here by the TS. You are convinced with?
melissachanhx
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just a note, as a female's point of view.
Taking example that I were to be the victim of such an incident, I would not step out and tell everyone. The most I would do if I were to be affected is warn those around me. It would sort of be an issue of the so called face.
Who would come up and post in this forum and say "I was told and paid by him to be serviced and the above threads about him is absolutely true".
I don't think anyone would.
Regardless of the credibility of the individual who started the thread and for those who strongly disagree or agrees, it serves as a simple piece of warning and advice to all models for all their photoshoots to be cautious. I reckon that this advice should not be forgotten.
He has approached me as well claiming that he found my portfolio online.
But too bad I couldn't provide much more information because I turned down his offer for a shoot. And he claimed that there was a perfect explanation for the misunderstanding.
:dunno:
maybe, maybe not
redstone
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Selective perverse attitude maybe, if the comments posted by Nattie are true.
prey on the less popular/well known models.
jawzsg
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Sorry Mel, my mistake.. please don't get upset ....:embrass:
The strange thing is that some xmm models feel differently from the experience. A 1.5yr ago, one of the xmm told me she was engaged by him and I told her to be careful with his style. It was supposed to be a bikini but after the shot i saw some images on his site with her on a wet T WITHOUT the bra. I was a bit mad but when i communicated with her, I can feel that she was NOT a bit disappointed and seemed to be quite "excited" with her experience, and some shots were in his lingerie collection too!
SO it is very hard to blame him totally as some models here actually took to his style ... like some sort of "hard to get" experiences (just like those of DP, Roger, etc...)
Guess many of us are "boring" photographers:sweat::sweat:
SO it is very hard to blame him totally as some models here actually took to his style ... like some sort of "hard to get" experiences (just like those of DP, Roger, etc...)
Guess many of us are "boring" photographers:sweat::sweat:
night86mare
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:dunno::dunno: take off or not, is their problem, that is their choice, and they have every right to do so as long as they weren't forced; i don't think anyone has problems with adults making their own decisions.
as for demanding for something more than "posing" and "modelling", now that is different.
what are you thinking? .... is there a difference?
if you ask a model to take off her bra which is not in the "deal" is the same as asking a model to do more than "posing" if it is also not in the deal....
as long as the model doesn't mind and was not forced, and if she is an adult, there is no difference at all, if she agrees to sleep with him for free or take off her bra with his instruction .....
so the question is that should we be the moral police here to decide how far a photographer/or any individual can go to convince the xmm models to do more than what is needed in a shoot? ...
so after this guy is censored, shall we lower the bar and start a witch hunt for photographers who ask model to wear only a big white shirt?
:dunno::dunno:
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