Does all the photographers behave or request in this way?

[CYRN]

Hi, as he's in my email and does not have an email account, I decided to help him post his reply to this thread here.

BY DV STUDIO CONCEPTS:

i appreciate cheryl helping me to post on my behalf, as i don't have a clubsnap account. first, I would like to clarify that, I have no idea who the TS nattie is. I have spoken to a lot of people, so nattie, you might like to indicate your name, as I really have no re-collection of approaching you for a shoot before.

All the models I worked with did my shoots on their own free will. There is no coercion. If my manner of speech offended any models or photographers, I am deeply sorry, but this absolutely does not reflect me as a “pervert using my websites to lure preys” as quoted by one of the poster here.

I would also like to thank those who remained neutral and actually spoke up for me to a certain extent. To the TS, I would welcome the chance to clear things up with you, you might want to add me up in MSN, or drop me an email, as my msn and email are already splashed across this thread.

*end*
I'm on neutral stand, just helping him to bring across his message.

Umm... I tot he hav a CS account as some hav previously mentioned? :think:

 

[scandal599]

you are the one asked me to post the conversation.. den how should i put it? i don know how..

okay...just the gist...

if the full details are sordid...then don't because I do not want to this to be a graphic thread.

 

[g-khoo]

unfortunately...contrary to fact...there is no point proven to say the least. what you have proven thus far is that you are trying to make a case in which he is gulity of an act whereby words can be easily misconstrued. please be advised, this is an open forum. words said cannot be taken back.

as for reagrds to beckiish post, she has worked with him before...I know...because I saw her on MM.

I can vouch for that as well

 

[scandal599]

most welc. Just stating the facts here because most ppl here are all in doubt. they can choose what they want to say or what they think because they might not know him and have never worked with him before. But here i am,as a witness whom have worked with him before,that he was professional during the shoot with me. Period.

I have worked with Devine before and i feel totally comfortable with him.
So those people who critic him actually know him in person? i doubt so. They just love gossiping.
And he take his professionalism seriously.

welna, beckiish, if you do not mind, can you substantiate this by posting a link to the works or if you do have any other forum profile, it will be more legitimate.

thanks for the help

 

[scandal599]

I can vouch for that as well

thanks g.

 

[scandal599]

http://www.modelmayhem.com/rebeccachen

thanks rebecca.

 

[silver.wolf]

it does not matter how many girls come in to vouch for him, cos he might not strike every girls he approached. all we need is another girl who had a indecent request from him before to confirm.

 

[scandal599]

it does not matter how many girls come in to vouch for him, cos he might not strike every girls he approached. all we need is another girl who had a indecent request from him before to confirm.

agreed...so with that said, can any more models who have worked with him before both good and bad come forth?

 

[night86mare]

How does NM suggestion(s) overcome the mentioned problem? From what I understand, the contact between PG and TS isn't made through CS. :think:

Furthermore, #2 and #4 wasn't answered AFAIK.

cyrn,

is cs the first stop for photographers in singapore?

you still don't get what i mean, after so long.

if cs, as the first stop for photographers in singapore, shows that it is willing to act, just as a statement, then it is a small step in the way of the long run.

but of course, there are always going to be people who say "too hard!" , and nothing is going to be done until:

1) something happens
2) nothing happens, but people report about this aspect in the news, then there will be some form of minor discussion, some furore, but it will be forgotten, and people hope that it will be forgotten

and who benefits? such people. the perverts. because the real genuine photographers, the ones who would actually BENEFIT as well, when there is fear sent into the hearts of such people... they can't be bothered. because it is "too hard!" because "too much time!" because "i got better things to do!".

no, i am not looking to eradicate such happenings, they will never stop, just look at sammyboy, it is a hotbed for such perverse pleasures....

but at the very least, i would be glad knowing that the community here takes an interest in some things, and that GENUINE photographers, would care about photography being GENUINE

anyways, this is sickening me by the minute; it seems as if my thread has been taken to be some heroic attempt to force some big brother style of rule in cs down people's throats. that has never been my purpose, and i am sick and tired of people hinting that this is the case, or that i thought that it was going to achieve some big grand outcome. i am not delusional.

 

[AhV]

Hi, as he's in my email and does not have an email account, I decided to help him post his reply to this thread here.

BY DV STUDIO CONCEPTS:

i appreciate cheryl helping me to post on my behalf, as i don't have a clubsnap account. first, I would like to clarify that, I have no idea who the TS nattie is. I have spoken to a lot of people, so nattie, you might like to indicate your name, as I really have no re-collection of approaching you for a shoot before.

All the models I worked with did my shoots on their own free will. There is no coercion. If my manner of speech offended any models or photographers, I am deeply sorry, but this absolutely does not reflect me as a “pervert using my websites to lure preys” as quoted by one of the poster here.

I would also like to thank those who remained neutral and actually spoke up for me to a certain extent. To the TS, I would welcome the chance to clear things up with you, you might want to add me up in MSN, or drop me an email, as my msn and email are already splashed across this thread.

*end*
I'm on neutral stand, just helping him to bring across his message.

we wont blame u for believing he has no nicks here ... how long have you joined us ?

we have a great MOD team here .. most are IT experts..so leave it to the CS.I team.. he was DOMINANT, INDULGENCE,DOPPLEANGER ...wat else ? :sweat: .... he preys but he is NOT DUMB .. he is so notorious ..he was the 'famous' S.F.S. GWC.... he needs NO INTRODUCTION ... most of us dun even know him but have heard so much about him from his earlier victims. Seriously, we have nothing against him if he behaves himself ( WE HOPE HE IS READING THIS NOW ) .... its pointless to change web sites, names, nick... you are still YOU ... the girls will still recognise you tho on several occasions you tried to avoid your earlier preys ... We are concerned bcos he stains the industry :thumbsd: ... thats why


and ....Cheryl, you are NOT helping him.... you are ENCOURAGING him to commit his pervy actions again ... as long as he gets away with it, he will DO IT again and again :sweat:

anyway, since TS has started this thread, some of us might as well create more awareness ... we dun care whether he is RYAZEN or DEVINE T or DEVINE.. he can change his name to 'MR ANGEL' but as long as he attempts to touch any of his subjects or have pervy requests .. trust us that we will hound him

some of your earlier victims are tracking your movements, so reflect on your actions ... ( WE HOPE HE IS READING THIS )


Like the TS said, this is to create awareness ...so let this be an AWARE issue (pun intended) :devil:.

 

[beckiish]

to add on,my boyfriend was present at the photoshoot. In the premise of the studio.
If he is perverse , he would never let me bring him along. Make sense? because from my experience there were PGs that insisted to let me bring him along.

 

[night86mare]

ya. I know.

what I meant was NM suggestion to hide the forum from unregistered guest might not work. cuz he IS registered.

and NOW,

he can be NAMED and SHAMED

including a LOCATION, where he shoots at

compare this to NAMELESS JOE #1202390123 who is faceless, nameless, has no location or identity or ip to be considered if ANYTHING unfortunate happens.

 

[AhV]

it does not matter how many girls come in to vouch for him, cos he might not strike every girls he approached. all we need is another girl who had a indecent request from him before to confirm.

i second wolfie !

 

[night86mare]

While I am not using this thread as a propaganda for cleaning up, BUT if there is really such an incident taking place right here right now, then it is high time we push for what Nightmare suggested.

:bsmilie::bsmilie:

no la, too hard, not enough time, everyone so busy, you never become mod before, so you won't know...

push for what? wait until something happens, even then, also none of my business , i don't care, i only want to shoot what i like to shoot, doesn't concern me..

so sickening.

 

[AhV]

to add on,my boyfriend was present at the photoshoot. In the premise of the studio.
If he is perverse , he would never let me bring him along. Make sense? because from my experience there were PGs that insisted to let me bring him along.

again, nth happen to u does not mean nth happened to the earlier victims ?

 

[night86mare]

I too see several grey areas, and without going into a discourse in the use or abuse of the English language, I do know that some people are severely affected by what are mischeivious or teasing phrases, which were actually harmless in intent, and as a result, misconstrue them, and cast judgement. Having said that, I have met only a few locals who have what it takes to be successfully flirtatious/mischeivious and humorous with a glint of charming deviousness all at the same time. I suspect for the greater majority, such attempts may end up sounding quite off-colour.

i think you would agree that a lot of what is going on behind the scenes here

is defintiely more than just "harmless, sensual, lighthearted, teasing phrases"

 

[Ninja23XX]

we wont blame u for believing he has no nicks here ... how long have you joined us ?

we have a great MOD team here .. most are IT experts..so leave it to the CS.I team.. he was DOMINANT, INDULGENCE,DOPPLEANGER ...wat else ? :sweat: .... he preys but he is NOT DUMB .. he is so notorious ..he was the 'famous' S.F.S. GWC.... he needs NO INTRODUCTION ... most of us dun even know him but have heard so much about him from his earlier victims. Seriously, we have nothing against him if he behaves himself ( WE HOPE HE IS READING THIS NOW ) .... its pointless to change web sites, names, nick... you are still YOU ... the girls will still recognise you tho on several occasions you tried to avoid your earlier preys ... We are concerned bcos he stains the industry :thumbsd: ... thats why


and ....Cheryl, you are NOT helping him.... you are ENCOURAGING him to commit his pervy actions again ... as long as he gets away with it, he will DO IT again and again :sweat:

anyway, since TS has started this thread, some of us might as well create more awareness ... we dun care whether he is RYAZEN or DEVINE T or DEVINE.. he can change his name to 'MR ANGEL' but as long as he attempts to touch any of his subjects or have pervy requests .. trust us that we will hound him

some of your earlier victims are tracking your movements, so reflect on your actions ... ( WE HOPE HE IS READING THIS )


Like the TS said, this is to create awareness ...so let this be an AWARE issue (pun intended) :devil:.

Ahv hits the nail. Good job.


GMAN

 

[Ninja23XX]

i think you would agree that a lot of what is going on behind the scenes here

is defintiely more than just "harmless, sensual, lighthearted, teasing phrases"

I guess, i would agree with you on this one. Takes 2 hands to clap right. If one party doesn't want to agree, he/she can always back off. If things get out of hand, can always call for help. Almost everyone owns a Handphone.


GMAN

 

[night86mare]

it does not matter how many girls come in to vouch for him, cos he might not strike every girls he approached. all we need is another girl who had a indecent request from him before to confirm.

:thumbsup:

good point made

anyways, i hope that the affected people will have the courage to come forward

 

[night86mare]

to add on,my boyfriend was present at the photoshoot. In the premise of the studio.
If he is perverse , he would never let me bring him along. Make sense? because from my experience there were PGs that insisted to let me bring him along.

let's be blunt here

maybe he just doesn't fancy you that way