Do you need a D3? (taken from dpreview)

[giantcanopy]

i think these pictures can be taken WITHOUT a d3; and saying that it has great chance of recovering mistakes .. i don't know what to say about that. you should check out adam burton's gallery, i remember he uses a non-d3 camera. loads of other great landscape photographers have not used d3 either.

but it's alright, if you have a d3 all yoru pictures will make people go WOW :bsmilie:

I was not referring to the landscape ones the dpreview forumer took. Those shots would NOT sell the idea to me. But any idea how you might be able to one good quality shot with lots of people walking in an otherwise high dynamic range scene where filters are non applicable?

I do not equate shadow recovery to recovering from mistakes.

Ryan

 

[night86mare]

if that's so, then the s3pro and s5pro trump d3 in terms of dr.

of course a d3 can do more, of course it should. if it didn't, how would anybody justify the price?

 

[giantcanopy]

if that's so, then the s3pro and s5pro trump d3 in terms of dr.

of course a d3 can do more, of course it should. if it didn't, how would anybody justify the price?

Thats true, Madmacs told me that his S5pro has better DR than his D3.

Maybe because i have seen too many users posting D700/D3 *test shots* but have not seen any real world examples of how the extended capabilities could have been put to better use. . .

 

[night86mare]

Thats true, Madmacs told me that his S5pro has better DR than his D3.

Maybe because i have seen too many users posting D700/D3 *test shots* but have not seen any real world examples of how the extended capabilities could have been put to better use. . .

which is a sad thing.. when you look at it all, esp since there will probably ( or is it certainly) be no more fujifilm spro series. i would think that dr is almost as much of a problem when compared to iso capability.

the d3 is a great camera, i won't deny anyone the pleasure that, but whether one can really justify the price to himself, or the additional features (along with the times when that much shadow recovery needs to be done).. are really needed in the long run. i'm very wowed by what it can do, and it is great that technology is advancing at this rate. after all, advancement can only benefit everyone.. it will eventually trickle down to the lower echelons.

i guess the same thing goes for purchases like fisheye lens, etc..

 

[cichlid]

which is a sad thing.. when you look at it all, esp since there will probably ( or is it certainly) be no more fujifilm spro series. i would think that dr is almost as much of a problem when compared to iso capability.

the d3 is a great camera, i won't deny anyone the pleasure that, but whether one can really justify the price to himself, or the additional features (along with the times when that much shadow recovery needs to be done).. are really needed in the long run. i'm very wowed by what it can do, and it is great that technology is advancing at this rate. after all, advancement can only benefit everyone.. it will eventually trickle down to the lower echelons.

i guess the same thing goes for purchases like fisheye lens, etc..

ya, quickly trickle down to Dxx bodies with FF sensor! Maybe Nikon shd follow Shimano...they do trickle down the technolgies pretty fast on their bikes components.

 

[madmacs]

Thats true, Madmacs told me that his S5pro has better DR than his D3.

Maybe because i have seen too many users posting D700/D3 *test shots* but have not seen any real world examples of how the extended capabilities could have been put to better use. . .

hehe...how come i got dragged into this?

maybe let me say why i got the d3. did i need it? probably not. what i really wanted was a full frame dslr. at that time i had 3 choices - EOS 1Ds Mk2 or Mk3, EOS 5D and the newly launched D3. 1Ds Mk3 was way out of budget so it was down to the 5D and D3. as i was already using a fuji dslr and had already sold most of my canon gear, i had to seriously consider if the d3 was worth paying for.

in the end i decided to go with the d3 cos of its integral grip, long-lasting battery, high iso capability, and dual cf-cards which i found extremely desirable cos my preference is to shoot RAW.

can you take great pictures without a d3? sure you can. in fact about 99% of my S5 photos are ready to go without postprocessing. with the d3, i still have to postprocess most of my pics. and with photoshop there's lots of things you can do to your photos to make them look great.

if you ask me now if i would get a d3 all over again, the answer would still be yes. its been a joy to use. maybe my pics may not be outstanding or great, i still had fun shooting them with the d3.

 

[giantcanopy]

hehe...how come i got dragged into this?

Cause talking about S5pro and D3, i cannot help thinking of u. :bsmilie:
Red scarlet is suppose to give 13 stop + of dynamic range as well - Alvin is it on ur list already ? :bsmilie:

Agree with night86mare. I would appreciate a wider DR more than the resolution race too.

Ryan

 

[mcn]

if you ask me now if i would get a d3 all over again, the answer would still be yes. its been a joy to use. maybe my pics may not be outstanding or great, i still had fun shooting them with the d3.

ok, good

buy another d3 now (locally, of course) and help our country

always good to hav another d3 as a backup

later if find it as surplus, can always sell it away again a a loss

 

[madmacs]

ok, good

buy another d3 now (locally, of course) and help our country

always good to hav another d3 as a backup

later if find it as surplus, can always sell it away again a a loss

brudder..i only giving my point of view. dun have to be so sarcastic or behave like that.

anyway..i only need 1 d3 :bsmilie:

 

[psychobiologist]

which is a sad thing.. when you look at it all, esp since there will probably ( or is it certainly) be no more fujifilm spro series. i would think that dr is almost as much of a problem when compared to iso capability.

you using S5 now? :dunno:

 

[mcn]

brudder..i only giving my point of view. dun have to be so sarcastic or behave like that.

anyway..i only need 1 d3 :bsmilie:

aiyah... joke lah...

but always good to backup with same model

most people say move from d300 to d3 and say keep d300 as backup
fankly, how many times do they really use it

some say i still shoot film after moving to digi
yes, but how many times

so good to have d3 for a d3 and a spare husband for another :bsmilie:

 

[xl1]

i don't need it, but i want it... then someone reminds me say, buy what you need not what you want, so how?

 

[Daedalus Trent]

i think these pictures can be taken WITHOUT a D3

agreed :thumbsup:

but, i still need a D3 :bsmilie: :devil:

 

[madmacs]

aiyah... joke lah...

but always good to backup with same model

most people say move from d300 to d3 and say keep d300 as backup
fankly, how many times do they really use it

some say i still shoot film after moving to digi
yes, but how many times

so good to have d3 for a d3 and a spare husband for another :bsmilie:

hehe...1 can liao. 2 d3 will not give me 2x improvement right?

actually i still use my s5 though a bit less to be honest. in fact i will be bringing my s5 along for my vacation.

hey what's wrong with film? anyway....let others use what they want to shoot with lah. you just keep shooting your digital can liao.

 

[madmacs]

i don't need it, but i want it... then someone reminds me say, buy what you need not what you want, so how?

then you buy what you want lah. cos your happiness is the key :bsmilie:

 

[cichlid]

you using S5 now? :dunno:

dont think so, cos night86mare is a diehard Pentaxian

 

[pisduck]

frankly the detail recovery is not all that great.

I think that picture is rather MISLEADING. People see that the first picture is all black and the second picture has so much details and straight away they say, "wow fantastic recovery!!!"

I can take a properly exposed shot, make it black. Then recover it The D700 by default has a VERY contrasty curve so the shadows get blocked out very fast, ie, if I make my in camera curve very contrasty, it would make the shadow recovery seems better than it actually is.

The shot shown actually does not have very high DR.

 

[night86mare]

you using S5 now? :dunno:

i have seen enough results from s5 to think that it is a great product.

not every single one of us has to use a brand, and then flog it to death while burning effigies of other brands' cameras. to me, a lot of cameras are great cameras, they're just great in different ways.

 

[acpical]

I am not sure if it is the camera or the software.

Here, I used NX2 on the image captured by a D300. Arguably, it is the same generation as a D3, although definitely not in the same class.

But after looking the dpreview.com thread, it certainly caused me to retrieve this shot from my discard pile and give it a second go.

Similarly, I metered for the sky, leaving the clouds overexposed and the foreground underexposed in the original.

I don't have to go through the HDR process (that is what I'd do anyway, to save time).

I didn't even realise so much data existed in the original file (RAW format, of course).

I am not sure but I believe that one needs to post-process less if the D-lighting is activated, reducing the advantage of S5Pro.

I like a saturated look, so definitely some will disagree with the processing.

Perhaps some CSer with another camera can have a shot and upload pictures too?

Before

After

 

[boyboy]

Thats true, Madmacs told me that his S5pro has better DR than his D3.

Maybe because i have seen too many users posting D700/D3 *test shots* but have not seen any real world examples of how the extended capabilities could have been put to better use. . .

according to DXO report, s5 does indeed have better dynamic range than the D3 :thumbsup:

but MP count a bit low. if it matters.