D90 User Group (V)

[daredevil123]

you have mis-understood.
to make up, help me ask your friends whether they are looking for a D90 or not

Your pricing not attractive leh...

 

[parky]

Your pricing not attractive leh...

If you can't find a buyer easily by posting on CS' personal classifieds, I can only assume that you are asking for too much $$.

Hello, excuse me.
Based on a standard market depreciation value of 20% per year.
and the current selling price for D90 kit at $1450, my set is a whopping 20% off and I don't think selling @$1150 is unreasonable.

 

[daredevil123]

Hello, excuse me.
Based on a standard market depreciation value of 20% per year.
and the current selling price for D90 kit at $1450, my set is a whopping 20% off and I don't think selling @$1150 is unreasonable.

erm... stats are interesting...

But in the end still no one buying?

I think market price is not set by a fixed depreciation rate... but rather demand and supply. A more accurate reflection of "market price" should be taking an average of the prices the D90 is actually exchanging hands now in BnS now...

 

[ZerocoolAstra]

Hello, excuse me.
Based on a standard market depreciation value of 20% per year.
and the current selling price for D90 kit at $1450, my set is a whopping 20% off and I don't think selling @$1150 is unreasonable.

I really feel like laughing. Whether your asking price is unreasonable or not is not for me or you to decide.
You state an asking price, nobody contact you. Doesn't that say something?

 

[daredevil123]

BTW, you can get new D90 body only with all the freebies, with warranty for around 1k SGD in Malaysia. Warranty in MY.

 

[ashcarlyle]

standing by

 

[parky]

I really feel like laughing. Whether your asking price is unreasonable or not is not for me or you to decide.
You state an asking price, nobody contact you. Doesn't that say something?

I advise if you wan to laugh, just LOL. otherwise you might suffer internal injuries. Besides, if I can't sell something, just take it as I have not met the right buyer, not the problem with the price, cos I am 100% sure that is the market value.

 

[daredevil123]

I advise if you wan to laugh, just LOL. otherwise you might suffer internal injuries. Besides, if I can't sell something, just take it as I have not met the right buyer, not the problem with the price, cos I am 100% sure that is the market value.

True. There will be someone out there willing to buy at any price. Most purchases are not very rational.

 

[kriegsketten]

Question... read in the manual (yes, I do go back once in a while) that by setting +1 EV brings the D90's ISO 200 down to 100 (equivalent)... What is the difference between doing that and force setting it down to Lo1.0? It is basically doing the same thing, or not?

 

[ZerocoolAstra]

Question... read in the manual (yes, I do go back once in a while) that by setting +1 EV brings the D90's ISO 200 down to 100 (equivalent)... What is the difference between doing that and force setting it down to Lo1.0? It is basically doing the same thing, or not?

huh? Where does it say that?
sounds wrong.

 

[kriegsketten]

huh? Where does it say that?
sounds wrong.

What I'm asking is... is setting +1.0 EV using the EV button on top right the same as setting Lo1.0 in the menu? Does D90 process this two exactly the same, or different?

 

[ZerocoolAstra]

What I'm asking is... is setting +1.0 EV using the EV button on top right the same as setting Lo1.0 in the menu? Does D90 process this two exactly the same, or different?

Assuming you are at ISO200 and EV 0 and some automated exposure mode like A or P:

If you switch to EV +1, the photo should come out with higher exposure level.
If you switch to ISO Lo1.0, the photo should come out with same exposure level, since the camera will compensate for this.

so... end result is different...

 

[kriegsketten]

Shoot...my bad... the page I'm reading is at 74, ISO sensitivity... Thinking it was about EV button settings... sorry!

But on a side note... isn't setting +1 EV on the EV button the same as setting L1.0 in the menu? On page 74, second paragraph, it says "For special situations, ISO sensitivity can be lowered below ISO200 by about....blah blah blah... or 1.0EV (L 1.0, equivalent to ISO 100) blah blah blah...

 

[kriegsketten]

Assuming you are at ISO200 and EV 0 and some automated exposure mode like A or P:

If you switch to EV +1, the photo should come out with higher exposure level.
If you switch to ISO Lo1.0, the photo should come out with same exposure level, since the camera will compensate for this.

so... end result is different...

So does both settings (menu versus EV button) equate to roughly the same exposure level equivalent to ISO100? Or must we treat setting EV button differently from actually setting the ISO sensitivity in the menu? Otherwise, why would the manual equate 1.0EV to ISO100 (derived meaning of course)...

 

[kriegsketten]

My intent is to find out whether we can "force" D90's native base ISO down to 100 without resorting using the L1.0 settings...

 

[ZerocoolAstra]

So does both settings (menu versus EV button) equate to roughly the same exposure level equivalent to ISO100? Or must we treat setting EV button differently from actually setting the ISO sensitivity in the menu? Otherwise, why would the manual equate 1.0EV to ISO100 (derived meaning of course)...

It's something to do with ISOLo1.0 not being an actual ISO setting, but rather the camera doing some processing behind the scenes.

For example, if I use M mode and ISO200, f/3.5, 1/60s
then switch to
ISOLo1.0, f/3.5, 1/60s

effectively (based on my understanding) the camera is still capturing at ISO200, then processing it with deliberate underexposure. Kind of what we do in PP by pulling down the curves. This effectively makes the photo darker (the intention), but reduces the dynamic range, which is what DPReview concludes.

 

[kriegsketten]

It's something to do with ISOLo1.0 not being an actual ISO setting, but rather the camera doing some processing behind the scenes.

For example, if I use M mode and ISO200, f/3.5, 1/60s
then switch to
ISOLo1.0, f/3.5, 1/60s

effectively (based on my understanding) the camera is still capturing at ISO200, then processing it with deliberate underexposure. Kind of what we do in PP by pulling down the curves. This effectively makes the photo darker (the intention), but reduces the dynamic range, which is what DPReview concludes.

So... if we set +1 EV from the EV button... is basically the same thing right? Processing by pulling down the curves?

Trying to solidify my EV concepts right, here...

 

[kriegsketten]

I know the purpose of EV button isn't the same..it is to compensative - to overexpose or underexpose a bit more... I'm just wondering if one can use this setting as a means to force it down to ISO100...of course, we need to tweak the shutter speed to a slower value...

 

[ZerocoolAstra]

So... if we set +1 EV from the EV button... is basically the same thing right? Processing by pulling down the curves?

Trying to solidify my EV concepts right, here...

if in M mode, setting EV+1 doesn't do anything aside from moving the meter reading.

if in P,A, S modes, adjusting the EV value will result in one of the parameters changing to compensate. For me, since I don't use Auto-ISO, only shutter speed or aperture will change.

 

[ZerocoolAstra]

I know the purpose of EV button isn't the same..it is to compensative - to overexpose or underexpose a bit more... I'm just wondering if one can use this setting as a means to force it down to ISO100...of course, we need to tweak the shutter speed to a slower value...

as far as I know, you can't do anything to "re-create" a true ISO100 on the D90... :dunno: