D90 buying suggestion for newbie?
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kilkenny
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Hi Saycheese78,
Thanks again for the reply.
Hmm......seriously i not sure if its just me, but picture quality is important, more so than convenience. And the 18-105mm is a really good range if i can live with the in my opinion ok only picture quality. Of course the picture quality could be due to my skillsets but at same setting 50mm outperforms 18-105mm significantly for me to want to change.
To get the 16-85 new is about say 950, i would top up 600 after selling off my 18-105. I honestly not so sure if the quality difference will be worth that much? hahahaha
Or do u think i should keep my 18-105 and TRY my very best to like it while using the $$ to get a UWA and flash? :think:
hehehehe
sorry to make my problem yours ;p
tks
cheers,
kilkenny
Thanks again for the reply.
Hmm......seriously i not sure if its just me, but picture quality is important, more so than convenience. And the 18-105mm is a really good range if i can live with the in my opinion ok only picture quality. Of course the picture quality could be due to my skillsets but at same setting 50mm outperforms 18-105mm significantly for me to want to change.
To get the 16-85 new is about say 950, i would top up 600 after selling off my 18-105. I honestly not so sure if the quality difference will be worth that much? hahahaha
Or do u think i should keep my 18-105 and TRY my very best to like it while using the $$ to get a UWA and flash? :think:
hehehehe
sorry to make my problem yours ;p
tks
cheers,
kilkenny
Saycheese78
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No Problem. Go to Nikon to try it out. With only 3000 clicks experience when I compared, the difference is minute but my camera was at F8. (What was I thinking. haha) The charts show the diff in other F number.
I understand what you mean. I stop using my cokin for the same reason. I even removed my lens protector to reduce flare.
D90 with 18-105mm should be good. If i can turn back the clock this shall be my choice. When you develop interest later on you can add lens at the UWA, potrait, macro or telephoto categories to your arsenal. D90 with 100,000 average shutter count can last you for a while. As you progress you may think more and shoot less only at the right moment.
D90 + 18-105 kit lens is a great way to start out... gives you a good range to work with and good pictures too!!! As many have indicated earlier, you can always add in a 70-300mm VR lens, a prime lens and a UWA lens as you go along. But for sheer value for money, the D90 + 18-105 kit is the way to go...
actually the best is to try out urself
and what shooting style and budget that u have
if u dun mind keep on changing lens for the range that the 50mm can't cover
then buy all means
for me
i will sacrifice some sharpness for the convenient of 18-200
and also i dun pixel peeping..
so i dun even notice the 'sharpness'
it all depends on what u actually need
if u pixel peeping and u want convenient
then buy those F2.8 zoom lens
else just get some goodprime to cover ur range
for my style.. 1 lens is enough
by the time u change lens
the subject might have moved on....
*imagine u traveling with tons of lenses
and what shooting style and budget that u have
if u dun mind keep on changing lens for the range that the 50mm can't cover
then buy all means
for me
i will sacrifice some sharpness for the convenient of 18-200
and also i dun pixel peeping..
so i dun even notice the 'sharpness'
it all depends on what u actually need
if u pixel peeping and u want convenient
then buy those F2.8 zoom lens
else just get some goodprime to cover ur range
for my style.. 1 lens is enough
by the time u change lens
the subject might have moved on....
*imagine u traveling with tons of lenses
Saycheese78
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I absolutely agree.
But I think Kilkenny is throwing his 18-105 at 1 corner because of preference for 50F1.8 quality. Ehh. wah so good meh? (besides bokeh, actually I still think if you want bokeh, go for zoom.) That probably means Kilkenny's taste had outgrown the 18-105. Will the 16-85 being a minute upgrade satisfy the taste or does he need the holy trinity.. (drum beats)
Or is it purely a case of bokeh. If thats the case, there are better options than 16-86. 16-85 bokeh sucks big time and as a portrait lens, quality is not that fantastic.
Yeah 18-200 is a good lens for most people who do not have time to change lens during standard tours overseas. The best part with that lens is that when you want to go serious, pair it with a UWA, 50F1.4, 30F1.4, you have the best of both worlds. (how many of us have the luxury of staying at a tourist spot for hours?) Thats a cool $3k + for lens though.
http://www.clubsnap.com/forums/showthread.php?t=458315
Check the above link for price guide as a reference
Check the above link for price guide as a reference
kilkenny
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Hahahah 
Thanks everyone. Three cheers for CS. My problem is now everybodys! ;p
I am sure there are numerous combinations differing on budget and preference. And its tough to choose as a newbie. I am very inclined towards the 16-85 ( i dun do some much zoom, mainly landscape and portrait at the moment) as its a range i can live with.
So i am just hoping to get a really good copy for that. Orient photo quoted me 950 for the tokina 11-16 , so with my budget, i think a lens to better the 18-105 at the moment is 16-85. Cos i still need to get my billingham( vain what to do :dunno and sb600.
Nothing else within the budget of 1K seems attractive to me so i am keeping my fingers really crossed and hoping that e 16-85 works out for me.
Cheers,
kilkenny
Thanks everyone. Three cheers for CS. My problem is now everybodys! ;p
I am sure there are numerous combinations differing on budget and preference. And its tough to choose as a newbie. I am very inclined towards the 16-85 ( i dun do some much zoom, mainly landscape and portrait at the moment) as its a range i can live with.
So i am just hoping to get a really good copy for that. Orient photo quoted me 950 for the tokina 11-16 , so with my budget, i think a lens to better the 18-105 at the moment is 16-85. Cos i still need to get my billingham( vain what to do :dunno
and sb600.Nothing else within the budget of 1K seems attractive to me so i am keeping my fingers really crossed and hoping that e 16-85 works out for me.
Cheers,
kilkenny
Hahahah
Thanks everyone. Three cheers for CS. My problem is now everybodys! ;p
I am sure there are numerous combinations differing on budget and preference. And its tough to choose as a newbie. I am very inclined towards the 16-85 ( i dun do some much zoom, mainly landscape and portrait at the moment) as its a range i can live with.
So i am just hoping to get a really good copy for that. Orient photo quoted me 950 for the tokina 11-16 , so with my budget, i think a lens to better the 18-105 at the moment is 16-85. Cos i still need to get my billingham( vain what to do :dunno
Nothing else within the budget of 1K seems attractive to me so i am keeping my fingers really crossed and hoping that e 16-85 works out for me.
Cheers,
kilkenny
If i were in your shoes and do not have money to purchase all the gears i want in a go i will get the 11-16 if i want that wide angle or the sb-600 flash unit. 16-85mm if you really think the glass and image reproduction is superior over your existing lenses. 2mm difference at the wide end between 16mm and 18mm is negligible to me.
deepanshus
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strange, i heard the same thing elsewhere also!!...i never seen a 16 glass so not sure...but is it really so?, the diff between a 16 and 18 is negligible :think:
there's a comparison between 16mm and 18mm here
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/16-85mm-vs-18-200mm.htm
although the review is 16-85 vs 18-200mm lenses
http://www.kenrockwell.com/nikon/16-85mm-vs-18-200mm.htm
although the review is 16-85 vs 18-200mm lenses
deepanshus
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this is the "elsewhere" that i refer in my post...but i have heard it on this forum that "take KR with a pinch of salt".. :dunno:
kilkenny
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hmmm seems tt 16-85 is a good to have lens and possibly superior within its range if you dun mind paying more.
The review for tokina 11-16 mm is very tempting and seems to be what i need for a visit to a scenic place like jiu zhai gou hahaah. Any good pricing recommendation on this? Orient Photo quote me 950 and harvey norman where i usually buy my stuff dun carry tokina.
Tks!
cheers,
kilkenny
The review for tokina 11-16 mm is very tempting and seems to be what i need for a visit to a scenic place like jiu zhai gou hahaah. Any good pricing recommendation on this? Orient Photo quote me 950 and harvey norman where i usually buy my stuff dun carry tokina.
Tks!
cheers,
kilkenny
took a couple of shots at red dot yesterday...based on the lighting conditions the 28-75 f2.8 focused pretty fast n wit the SB600 support makes dark shooting possible without over-exposure...
back to above topic..if its ur 1st SLR then go wit the kit lens to try out...
i switched over from Sony n as i know wat i want therefore i just buy the body mix n match...so wat i need now is a 75-300mm for daytime.. shooting..VR would be good as this is the 1st time using a cam without VR compared to sony's built-in VR..
back to above topic..if its ur 1st SLR then go wit the kit lens to try out...
i switched over from Sony n as i know wat i want therefore i just buy the body mix n match...so wat i need now is a 75-300mm for daytime.. shooting..VR would be good as this is the 1st time using a cam without VR compared to sony's built-in VR..
That kenrockwell review was a comparison between the 16-85mm and 18-200mm. You might want to check for a comparison between your existing 18-105mm or 50mm prime. Personally i feel that for general purpose use your 18-105mm more than covers the need and for potrait the 50 will serve you well. If its for travel i suggest the tokina wide lens. Breath taking landscapes and sceneries should be captured on photos and an ultra wide will surely enhance this experience. Bring all the lenses with you. Changing of lenses only take a minute or less if you are accustomed to it. Unless you shoot at small apertures or change lenses in oily and dusty desert storms there should be no worries.
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