D600 Do You Have Spot/Oil Issue?

[jfxberns]

Actually i just send in my D600 on Monday for Thorough Clean.. I was told that they need 5 working days but i receive a call that i can collect yesterday.. When i collected my body they told me they change the shutter (its written on the service chic too).. =) but funny thing is that on my jpeg exif seems like shutter count did not reset.. so i'm also not sure..

I just read about another person getting their D600 shutter until replaced when they brought in for dust problem: http://www.flickr.com/groups/d600club/discuss/72157632855775894/

Let's hope this means we have a real fix being rolled out.

It does make sense; with the volume of debris it has to be a moving part shedding the debris. Not many moving parts in a DSLR (shutter, mirror), so it would be one of those causing the problem.

And, I would be surprised if Nikon's lawyers allowed them to issue a statement acknowledging a problem if they didn't have a fix available; that admission, without a fix, would open them to some serious product liability law suits.
After the weekend, my cameras going in as well, let's see if it gets a new shutter mechanism And if that resolves the problem.

 

[jfxberns]

And here's another case (just yesterday) of a D600 user getting a shutter replacement: http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/post/50948709

Hmmm

 

[lightyear2011]

Im not sure how the af performance of d7100. But i dun think its right to judge af just by no. of points

Yup, cross finger, hopefully d7100 will perform much much better. Let's wait and see...

 

[ageha]

Yup, cross finger, hopefully d7100 will perform much much better. Let's wait and see...

Yeah, exactly! Hopefully the D7100 will be as trouble free as the D7000 when it shipped first. lol

 

[jfxberns]

Yeah, exactly! Hopefully the D7100 will be as trouble free as the D7000 when it shipped first. lol

Dude, your so cynical! ;-)

 

[Kenneth Chen]

Hope this will reduce all the negative image of what's spread over the internet. Use your own judgement.

The Sensor Dust Rumor
My D600's sensor is clean.
I wouldn't worry about what you may have read over the Internet from people you've never met. These things always happen for every new camera: one guy of many sees it, and the Internet spreads it like wildfire.
See My New Product Reliability article for more on this phenomenon. People spread these things all over, and they greatly multiply themselves over the Internet.
My D600 is fine, and if it weren't, Nikon would fix it under warranty.
It doesn't bother me, but I'm astounded at how many impressionable people have gotten all terrified of this not because they've ever seen the problem, but because they read it somewhere as posted by some stranger.
I do know a guy personally who claims that his D600 had some dirt, and Nikon fixed it for him for free, fast. Big deal.
Want to know which camera really has a dirt problem? My D3; it has no built-in cleaner and it's filthy after five years of heavy use.
My D600's sensor is super clean. See more at New Product Reliability if you're concerned. I've seen this uncommon-problems-getting-blown-out-of-proportion issue many times since the Internet became popular, but never seen any dirt on my D600 sensor.

 

[sukhoi37]

Hope this will reduce all the negative image of what's spread over the internet. Use your own judgement.

The Sensor Dust Rumor
My D600's sensor is clean.
I wouldn't worry about what you may have read over the Internet from people you've never met. These things always happen for every new camera: one guy of many sees it, and the Internet spreads it like wildfire.
See My New Product Reliability article for more on this phenomenon. People spread these things all over, and they greatly multiply themselves over the Internet.
My D600 is fine, and if it weren't, Nikon would fix it under warranty.
It doesn't bother me, but I'm astounded at how many impressionable people have gotten all terrified of this not because they've ever seen the problem, but because they read it somewhere as posted by some stranger.
I do know a guy personally who claims that his D600 had some dirt, and Nikon fixed it for him for free, fast. Big deal.
Want to know which camera really has a dirt problem? My D3; it has no built-in cleaner and it's filthy after five years of heavy use.
My D600's sensor is super clean. See more at New Product Reliability if you're concerned. I've seen this uncommon-problems-getting-blown-out-of-proportion issue many times since the Internet became popular, but never seen any dirt on my D600 sensor.

Perhaps you are lucky?
Did you ask that guy did the dust come back again?
The issue is not spread by words only, it's proven by many images, timelapse video, tested by reputable review sites.
Please read the full story before posting.

 

[Zaknafein]

Why a reset? The shutter count is just part of the software. If they swap the mechanical shutter it doesn't reset the shutter count in the firmware.

Hmmm... Yes what u said make sense...

But if they changed the shutter and nikon did not reset the count, then the counts isnt reflecting actual shutter counts right?

 

[Zaknafein]

It's the same than in the D800/E so of course it will be better.

Ic... Wow tats good news for ppl eyeing d7100!

 

[Zaknafein]

I just read about another person getting their D600 shutter until replaced when they brought in for dust problem: http://www.flickr.com/groups/d600club/discuss/72157632855775894/

Let's hope this means we have a real fix being rolled out.

It does make sense; with the volume of debris it has to be a moving part shedding the debris. Not many moving parts in a DSLR (shutter, mirror), so it would be one of those causing the problem.

And, I would be surprised if Nikon's lawyers allowed them to issue a statement acknowledging a problem if they didn't have a fix available; that admission, without a fix, would open them to some serious product liability law suits.
After the weekend, my cameras going in as well, let's see if it gets a new shutter mechanism And if that resolves the problem.

Im gonna arrange a time to go down to nsc too. Hopefully this fixes it and we all can sleep better at night

 

[jfxberns]

Hope this will reduce all the negative image of what's spread over the internet. Use your own judgement.

The Sensor Dust Rumor
My D600's sensor is clean.
I wouldn't worry about what you may have read over the Internet from people you've never met. These things always happen for every new camera: one guy of many sees it, and the Internet spreads it like wildfire.
See My New Product Reliability article for more on this phenomenon. People spread these things all over, and they greatly multiply themselves over the Internet.
My D600 is fine, and if it weren't, Nikon would fix it under warranty.
It doesn't bother me, but I'm astounded at how many impressionable people have gotten all terrified of this not because they've ever seen the problem, but because they read it somewhere as posted by some stranger.
I do know a guy personally who claims that his D600 had some dirt, and Nikon fixed it for him for free, fast. Big deal.
Want to know which camera really has a dirt problem? My D3; it has no built-in cleaner and it's filthy after five years of heavy use.
My D600's sensor is super clean. See more at New Product Reliability if you're concerned. I've seen this uncommon-problems-getting-blown-out-of-proportion issue many times since the Internet became popular, but never seen any dirt on my D600 sensor.

Sorry, Kenneth, I beg to differ. It's not an overblown problem. By the volume of complaints online it is a real problem for a lot of people. Just because you don't think you have the problem (yet), don't go running around telling people they are making a big thing out of nothing.

Are you sure you don't have debris on your sensor? If you are shooting at f16 or f22 it's very visible on mine. At f8 and lower you can't see it.

And your confidence in Nikon is a tad naive. So far, D600 users have had to rely on regular visits to NSC for cleanings and there is still no proven permanent fix.

 

[ageha]

Hope this will reduce all the negative image of what's spread over the internet. Use your own judgement.

The Sensor Dust Rumor
My D600's sensor is clean.
I wouldn't worry about what you may have read over the Internet from people you've never met. These things always happen for every new camera: one guy of many sees it, and the Internet spreads it like wildfire.
See My New Product Reliability article for more on this phenomenon. People spread these things all over, and they greatly multiply themselves over the Internet.
My D600 is fine, and if it weren't, Nikon would fix it under warranty.
It doesn't bother me, but I'm astounded at how many impressionable people have gotten all terrified of this not because they've ever seen the problem, but because they read it somewhere as posted by some stranger.
I do know a guy personally who claims that his D600 had some dirt, and Nikon fixed it for him for free, fast. Big deal.
Want to know which camera really has a dirt problem? My D3; it has no built-in cleaner and it's filthy after five years of heavy use.
My D600's sensor is super clean. See more at New Product Reliability if you're concerned. I've seen this uncommon-problems-getting-blown-out-of-proportion issue many times since the Internet became popular, but never seen any dirt on my D600 sensor.

Nikon acknowledged it already in case you didn't notice that in your universe. And these things don't happen to every new camera, maybe with yours...

 

[robertgl]

Hopefully this will finally fix the issue

 

[N-user]

Hope this will reduce all the negative image of what's spread over the internet. Use your own judgement.

The Sensor Dust Rumor
My D600's sensor is clean.
I wouldn't worry about what you may have read over the Internet from people you've never met. These things always happen for every new camera: one guy of many sees it, and the Internet spreads it like wildfire.
See My New Product Reliability article for more on this phenomenon. People spread these things all over, and they greatly multiply themselves over the Internet.
My D600 is fine, and if it weren't, Nikon would fix it under warranty.
It doesn't bother me, but I'm astounded at how many impressionable people have gotten all terrified of this not because they've ever seen the problem, but because they read it somewhere as posted by some stranger.
I do know a guy personally who claims that his D600 had some dirt, and Nikon fixed it for him for free, fast. Big deal.
Want to know which camera really has a dirt problem? My D3; it has no built-in cleaner and it's filthy after five years of heavy use.
My D600's sensor is super clean. See more at New Product Reliability if you're concerned. I've seen this uncommon-problems-getting-blown-out-of-proportion issue many times since the Internet became popular, but never seen any dirt on my D600 sensor.

Hi Bro.... believe the above is taken from Ken Rock "very" well website......

Any case, from what I heard seem that Nikon has "fixed" the problem..... they cannot openly acknowledge they found a solution cause in the first place, they did not acknowledge its a problem..... whatever it is.... bad PR for them...

Good for those who dont have the problem and good for those who has the problem and they found a fix for it.... so all happy lar.... :bsmilie:

 

[jfxberns]

In any case, from what I heard seem that Nikon has "fixed" the problem..... they cannot openly acknowledge they found a solution cause in the first place, they did not acknowledge its a problem..... whatever it is.... bad PR for them...

Well, it says a lot about Nikon. It says they font have good QC for their products and that they seem more concerned with covering their assets legally than being forthright about their mistakes or making good with their customers.

Honestly, I'm considering switching brands after his incident. I already have one friend that has just because of these types of problems.

 

[Cheesecake]

Hi Bro.... believe the above is taken from Ken Rock "very" well website......

Any case, from what I heard seem that Nikon has "fixed" the problem..... they cannot openly acknowledge they found a solution cause in the first place, they did not acknowledge its a problem..... whatever it is.... bad PR for them...

Good for those who dont have the problem and good for those who has the problem and they found a fix for it.... so all happy lar.... :bsmilie:

ken rockwell ---> this name says it all!


HUAT AH!!!

 

[daredevil123]

Well, it says a lot about Nikon. It says they font have good QC for their products and that they seem more concerned with covering their assets legally than being forthright about their mistakes or making good with their customers.

Honestly, I'm considering switching brands after his incident. I already have one friend that has just because of these types of problems.

Well, every brand is the same. Like Canon's 5D where the mirror falls out, Canon's infamous Err99, Fuji's S2pro with black sensor death, Fuji's X10 with light blobs, even mighty Leica has problems with their lenses sometimes.

In the end it is all the same. You cannot expect every camera to be perfect coming off the production lines. Even cars are not perfect coming off the production lies. At one point in time, Jaguars come off the lines with more than 400 defects avg per car. And Japanese cars at that time have 20-40 defects. But still, the defects are there. Some are design defects. Any Engineer will tell you there is no perfect design. It is about constant improvement.

 

[Blur Shadow]

Well, it says a lot about Nikon. It says they font have good QC for their products and that they seem more concerned with covering their assets legally than being forthright about their mistakes or making good with their customers.

Honestly, I'm considering switching brands after his incident. I already have one friend that has just because of these types of problems.

They are probably just in a glut right now, plagued by such problems. No organization will desire for such flaws on their products, and I would think there are too many embarrassed engineers in Nikon. However, the company chose to react in such a manner, and consumers will decide how best to respond to it.

I haven't got a Nikon D600, but that's just me.

 

[ageha]

Well, every brand is the same. Like Canon's 5D where the mirror falls out, Canon's infamous Err99, Fuji's S2pro with black sensor death, Fuji's X10 with light blobs, even mighty Leica has problems with their lenses sometimes.

In the end it is all the same. You cannot expect every camera to be perfect coming off the production lines. Even cars are not perfect coming off the production lies. At one point in time, Jaguars come off the lines with more than 400 defects avg per car. And Japanese cars at that time have 20-40 defects. But still, the defects are there. Some are design defects. Any Engineer will tell you there is no perfect design. It is about constant improvement.

No, it isn't the same and I'm sure you know better. E.g Fujifilm acknowledge the X10 issue first and promised to work on a solution. In a second step they offered a solution that fixed the light blobs definitely by swapping the sensor. Nikon didn't do anything comparable.

 

[jfxberns]

No, it isn't the same and I'm sure you know better. E.g Fujifilm acknowledge the X10 issue first and promised to work on a solution. In a second step they offered a solution that fixed the light blobs definitely by swapping the sensor. Nikon didn't do anything comparable.

I agree. The Nikon announcement was weak and waffling. It was less than a clear admission of a problem and took no real ownership of the problem or responsibility for making it right. It was phrased to minimize, not recognize there was a problem.

It was more like a whiny acknowledgement of a kid caught with hand in the cookie jar, that he might have been stealing a cookie.

It reeks of weak leadership and indecisiveness. It shows no respect or concerns for their loyal customers who put out a big chunk of hard-earned cash to buy a product from a company they trust and believe in.

If Nikon came out and said "We admit we have a problem. Hthe fix. We apologize. We will make it right for every person who bought a D600 and we'll try to avoid this in the future." If they responded in that manner, I'd have some respect for them.

But all we got is "well, ok, maybe there might be tiny bit of dust... no big deal, it's kinda normal, right? We'll take a look at your camera." Whine. Shuffle. Look at floor. Cringe.