zac08
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AF-S? Not all AF-S lenses are good...
Compare a 18-55 to a 50mm prime or even a 24mm f2.8. I'd go for a AF prime anytime. :sticktong
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AF-S? Not all AF-S lenses are good...
Compare a 18-55 to a 50mm prime or even a 24mm f2.8. I'd go for a AF prime anytime. :sticktong
chanjyj
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I don't think Minolta lenses are still in production are they? You have to either get them 2nd hand, if you get them at all ;p
Carl Zeiss lens... :bigeyes: Hopefully my wallet don't start scremaing in protest.
chanjyj
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Well... if you want to change lenses
And pls lah. 18-55mm is not as bad as you think. I used to use it as my main lens. And for it's price... (Especially second hand price)... Must seriously think.But let's agree to disagree lah okay. I guess everyone has his/her preferences.
To be honest I have been thinking of buying a second hand D80. For the simple fact that my D40 really cannot control wireless speedlights. and also, the D80 has a mirror lock down. But to buy a brand new D80 I prob wont. And I won't buy the D80 just for the sole AF feature.
Btw, I have been wondering... AF lens are for film right? so there will be a crop factor of 1.5?
All lenses including DX lenses are subject to the 1.5x crop factor when determining the field of view on a DX body.
chanjyj
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Heck. Sorry. Me blur cuckoo forgot that for DX Lens the numbers are scaled down.
50mm DX=75mm FILM (35mm format)
75mm FILM (35mm format)=50mm DX
So for wide angle there is only the 12-24mm AF-S DX, there is no AF lens equivalent for digital right?
Sorry sorry. My bad.. me very blur today.
Eh.. You mean AF as in using the screw drive? The FE10.5/2.8 is a DX lens and it is not AF-S.
chanjyj
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BAH. Nikon website all give strange info
The only DX lenses they list are the AF-S oness
Somemore UK, US and SG websites give all diff info...
Eg. 55-200mm AF-S VR is 9 bladed diaphragm, some say 7 bladed.. Finally I read the manual and shine torchlight into lns to check, it's 7 bladed...
If cannot use Nikon website as reference I'll be damned.
http://www.nikon.com.sg/products.php?categoryid=23 How come the lens only got DX mention in the description but the name got no DX designation? Mummy ah...
LeoDaddy
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This is quite an interesting thing that I have also observed when buying my D40. I was at a reputable and nice shop and they guy asked, 'why not a D80'? I said that essentially they were the same thing (image wise), just that the d80 had many more UI enhancements such as 'press one button can go straight to the setting you want to change' and a better 1000pixel AF system. I knew that the the rest is almost the same (apart from the fact that the D40 has some missing features that I don't find critical) reading the usual reviews and comparing myself for hours using the D80 and D40 Digitutors to see exactly how different the two models were. The guy shakes his head and says 'no loh...', and doesn't believe me when I implied that the D40 can more than hold its own. I realised that marketing is quite a powerful thing. If the D40 were renamed the D85, and priced higher than the D80, folks' feelings towards it might be much better! (with the argument that it's better because it's much lighter, it should be more expensive because it's more portable.)
Hi, I too disagree that D40 is a 'toy'.
However, I must say there are major differences between D40 and 80. For "enthusiast" use, extra functions will be useful as "enthusiast" users like me like to explore different possibilities and techniques. Also, I like the fact I can change setting faster (coz noobs like me cannot get the settings right the 1st time) and extra 'luxuries' such as spot metering, top LCD, extra flash functions... (experiment mah) ;p
If D40 is renamed D85 or even 90, I would still buy D80.. coz the camera feels 'right' in my hands.. While size and weight of D40 is plus to some.. its a no go for me.
Ambious
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2300 is wat courts, harvey n best selling. 1800 is where stated in this forum and some shops. Those in between are whatever shops selling.
Michael
BAH. Nikon website all give strange info
The only DX lenses they list are the AF-S oness
Somemore UK, US and SG websites give all diff info...
Eg. 55-200mm AF-S VR is 9 bladed diaphragm, some say 7 bladed.. Finally I read the manual and shine torchlight into lns to check, it's 7 bladed...
If cannot use Nikon website as reference I'll be damned.
http://www.nikon.com.sg/products.php?categoryid=23 How come the lens only got DX mention in the description but the name got no DX designation? Mummy ah...
No lah.. this 16/2.8 is for film.. Don't even know why they mentioned DX in a subheading not meant for DX. :dunno:
The 10.5/2.8 is in this page, 7th lens down the list. The only lens designated as AF DX. The others are all AF-S DX.
http://www.nikon.com.sg/products.php?categoryid=21
http://www.nikon.com.sg/productitem.php?pid=72-960ba412c9
I usually use the global website because it gives MTF info.
http://nikonimaging.com/global/products/index.htm
http://nikonimaging.com/global/products/lens/index.htm
http://nikonimaging.com/global/products/lens/af/dx/index.htm
10.5/2.8 is the first lens in this list. I think it's more organised.
http://nikonimaging.com/global/products/lens/af/dx/af_dx_fisheye105mmf_28g_ed/index.htm
The number of aperture blades for 55-200VR is given as 7 in the global site. I think the info is more accurate an complete here.
uh.
All lenses are given as their 35mm equivalents. For example, the 18-55 is really an 18-55, even on a film body (just severe vinegetting).
On a DX body you'll get an equivalent field of view of an 27mm - 83mm lens.
There's no 75mm FILM = 50mm DX?
chanjyj
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Hi, I too disagree that D40 is a 'toy'.
However, I must say there are major differences between D40 and 80. For "enthusiast" use, extra functions will be useful as "enthusiast" users like me like to explore different possibilities and techniques. Also, I like the fact I can change setting faster (coz noobs like me cannot get the settings right the 1st time) and extra 'luxuries' such as spot metering, top LCD, extra flash functions... (experiment mah) ;p
If D40 is renamed D85 or even 90, I would still buy D80.. coz the camera feels 'right' in my hands.. While size and weight of D40 is plus to some.. its a no go for me.
D40 got spot metering lah you.. You never play enough with your camera. :bsmilie:
chanjyj
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I meant the field of view. heck. I not even sure what the correct technical name is. think you know what I mean lah.
chanjyj
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Thanks, thanks...Wow.. you must be an engineer to read those MTF charts...
For simple old me those seem like a pile of gooblygook.. I try out the lens to test it :embrass:
Get the d80, no doubts! I've got a number of friends who got d40 and d40x but they ended up upgrading within weeks. The reason they are selling is because they start to feel the effect of the lack of support for non-afs lenses, 3 AF points only, body too small to hold, etc..
It's a good camera, vivid colours, supposedly better noise control, good for travel, excellent IQ but personally i feel no point buying d40x and ending up selling it 2 weeks after using.
Unless you want dslr quality at consumer convenience. But there again, the point of getting dslr is to meddle with the controls, settings etc, u do not want to put to Auto on a dslr right? :sweat: Just my own opinion, so no offence to d40/d40x users out there. :sweat:
chanjyj
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I know the D80 specs. I took a very hard look at everything yesterday. D80 has more physical controls, Mirror lockup, and CLS control using built in flash.
But is it worth spending the extra dollars for it? Or is it more worth it to get the D200? If you want cheap, go D40. If you want something to boost your self esteem, get the D200. Why get the D80? I still cannot get the rationale behind this.. D80 is only a bit cheaper than D200 but D200 offers MUCH MUCH MUCH more than D80, so why chose something that hangs in the middle of nowhere?
I didn't say D80 is a bad camera. I am just saying it is not cost effective.
chanjyj
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And very frankly, with the tons of autofocus sensors on my D2x and my D40's 3 sensors, I detect no difference.
Unless you are really the kind of photographer who doesn't know how to use focus lock. ;p
The only difference I can see is when shooting high speed objects. My D2x trashes my D40. But I have compared the D80 and D40, and for that one, I detect no difference. Of course, test charts may show something else, but in the field, the only one that shows clear superiority is the D2x. (I have not tried D200 in this aspect, so I don't want to make any comments)
Unless you are really the kind of photographer who doesn't know how to use focus lock. ;p
The only difference I can see is when shooting high speed objects. My D2x trashes my D40. But I have compared the D80 and D40, and for that one, I detect no difference. Of course, test charts may show something else, but in the field, the only one that shows clear superiority is the D2x. (I have not tried D200 in this aspect, so I don't want to make any comments)
Well, I have 11 focus points, and when shooting with a fast lens, the extra points are good so that the subject (which is not in the center of the frame) can be in critical focus.
LeoDaddy
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haha.. my bad.. D40 do have spot metering. :embrass:
But honestly.. If i were to do this again, I still would have bought a D80 coz it the best I can afford (value for $$ lah..). And as mentioned above, the D40 size is just too small for me. In fact, I just got a grip for my D80 and now it feels even better! (well, I know u like lighter cameras.. but weight is ok for me..
)Also, my new 50mm 1.8 works great! (ok.. i cheapo.. cannot afford 1.4 lah.. ;p )
chanjyj
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haha.. my bad.. D40 do have spot metering. :embrass:
But honestly.. If i were to do this again, I still would have bought a D80 coz it the best I can afford (value for $$ lah..). And as mentioned above, the D40 size is just too small for me. In fact, I just got a grip for my D80 and now it feels even better! (well, I know u like lighter cameras.. but weight is ok for me..
Also, my new 50mm 1.8 works great! (ok.. i cheapo.. cannot afford 1.4 lah.. ;p )
Image comes from photographer, not from the equipment
so don't worry too much about your lensI always think S200 is mroe value for money than the D80, but to each his own. MAYBE in the future D80 price will drop even more, and I'll consider it. So far, it's D40 or me, and unless I need super duper uber stuff, my D2x will remain displayed in my trophy case :bsmilie:
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