D2Xs v D300

[Cheesecake]

If you use D2X(s), don't need the 51pts AF, and don't need ISO above 800 yet, hold on until I do a side by side of the D2X vs D300 hopefully soon. To be honest, I am not expecting to see a big difference in image quality below ISO800 but we'll see. I'm interested to know myself. ;p

If you use D2H(s), then I think the 12MP is already an advantage. I don't see why you should not go for the D300 if you can afford it.

not sure if there's anyone who cares abt 'base' iso such as 100 or 200 and how 'noiseless' they are.

think most are interested in high iso performance such as from iso 800 onwards.



and i tot u already know(from ur replies) the difference in high iso performance between the D2x n the D300?

 

[lsisaxon]

not sure if there's anyone who cares abt 'base' iso such as 100 or 200 and how 'noiseless' they are.

think most are interested in high iso performance such as from iso 800 onwards.



and i tot u already know(from ur replies) the difference in high iso performance between the D2x n the D300?

That's why I mentioned if high ISO > 800 is not important, then can wait first, otherwise, mai tu liao.. place your order... ;p Even better.. get D3!

 

[Cheesecake]

That's why I mentioned if high ISO > 800 is not important, then can wait first, otherwise, mai tu liao.. place your order... ;p Even better.. get D3!

high iso performance is of the highest consideration among most fotographers nowadays.

the self-cleaning sensors n other shiokness like the 51AF points are bonuses.


i still find it incredulous tat u actually said that D300 from iso 800 n up oni has 'slight advantage' over the D2x.


anyway, take ur time with ur review.

 

[mohgui]

high iso performance is of the highest consideration among most fotographers nowadays.

the self-cleaning sensors n other shiokness like the 51AF points are bonuses.


i still find it incredulous tat u actually said that D300 from iso 800 n up oni has 'slight advantage' over the D2x.


anyway, take ur time with ur review.

that's right... why i got the D300 is because of the capability of shooting at high ISO without much noise. i hate to use flash as i don't quite understand how to get it to work perfectly.

the other plus point is the 51 AF points and the 3D tracking thingy. damn cool. and of course, moving up from my D70, the D300 is like a major upgrade for me. lotsa things to paly around with.

 

[lsisaxon]

that's right... why i got the D300 is because of the capability of shooting at high ISO without much noise. i hate to use flash as i don't quite understand how to get it to work perfectly.

the other plus point is the 51 AF points and the 3D tracking thingy. damn cool. and of course, moving up from my D70, the D300 is like a major upgrade for me. lotsa things to paly around with.

Yeah.. It's a huge jump from D70. :thumbsup:

 

[lsisaxon]

high iso performance is of the highest consideration among most fotographers nowadays.

the self-cleaning sensors n other shiokness like the 51AF points are bonuses.


i still find it incredulous tat u actually said that D300 from iso 800 n up oni has 'slight advantage' over the D2x.


anyway, take ur time with ur review.

Soon... soon... ;p

 

[Jed]

If you use D2X(s), don't need the 51pts AF, and don't need ISO above 800 yet, hold on until I do a side by side of the D2X vs D300 hopefully soon. To be honest, I am not expecting to see a big difference in image quality below ISO800 but we'll see. I'm interested to know myself. ;p

If you use D2H(s), then I think the 12MP is already an advantage. I don't see why you should not go for the D300 if you can afford it.

No, I need above ISO 800, definitely. As high as 1600, possibly higher. But I am happy to make compromises in quality if it comes down to it.

Essentially the situation is thus. I have a D2Xs, a D2x, and a D2H, although I might have to lose the D2Xs depending on developments in the near future. Either way, I am going to end up with a D3. The question now for me is whether I mate the D3 with a D2x, or with a D300. The reason to not go for a pair of D3s is two-fold; finance is undeniably a factor, but the DX sensor is also an important factor for me as far as I'm concerned. (Unless someone tells me a D3 at DX crop is going to yield better images than a D300 or D2x... I'm assuming not, but if someone knows otherwise... )

So originally this was posted to find out the +/- of the D2x/D300 issue. To me I've determined the following:

D2x Positives
Already have it ie no financial outlay/hassle of swapping.

D300 Positives
New focusing system, new LCD.
8fps.

I'm trying to figure out if the noise swings it either way; at the moment to me in my situation it's fairly balanced.

 

[lsisaxon]

No, I need above ISO 800, definitely. As high as 1600, possibly higher. But I am happy to make compromises in quality if it comes down to it.

Essentially the situation is thus. I have a D2Xs, a D2x, and a D2H, although I might have to lose the D2Xs depending on developments in the near future. Either way, I am going to end up with a D3. The question now for me is whether I mate the D3 with a D2x, or with a D300. The reason to not go for a pair of D3s is two-fold; finance is undeniably a factor, but the DX sensor is also an important factor for me as far as I'm concerned. (Unless someone tells me a D3 at DX crop is going to yield better images than a D300 or D2x... I'm assuming not, but if someone knows otherwise... )

So originally this was posted to find out the +/- of the D2x/D300 issue. To me I've determined the following:

D2x Positives
Already have it ie no financial outlay/hassle of swapping.

D300 Positives
New focusing system, new LCD.
8fps.

I'm trying to figure out if the noise swings it either way; at the moment to me in my situation it's fairly balanced.

Check out my quick comparison in the other thread.. I will do a fairer comparison when I can get the D300 to behave more like the D2X in terms of High ISO NR.. Either that or I will turn off High ISO NR completely to compare. I'll see if I can squeeze out some time over this weekend.

The only limitation of DX crop on D3 is that the resolution is only 5MP. Otherwise, the image quality is definitely :thumbsup:.

If you're going to get a D3, then you can, depending on your financial situation, stick with D2X for the time being or go for the D300. I like the handling of the D2X and the low ISO image quality but that's about it. D300 is clearly superior in terms of technology and the higher ISO image quality. So after last night's test, I still stand by my observation that the D2X gives slightly better images below ISO800 but I stand corrected for ISO800 because it seems that the D300 does have a slight edge over D2X at ISO800 depending on how you see it and it surpasses D2X for ISOs above 800.

 

[Cheesecake]

Check out my quick comparison in the other thread.. I will do a fairer comparison when I can get the D300 to behave more like the D2X in terms of High ISO NR.. Either that or I will turn off High ISO NR completely to compare. I'll see if I can squeeze out some time over this weekend.

The only limitation of DX crop on D3 is that the resolution is only 5MP. Otherwise, the image quality is definitely :thumbsup:.

If you're going to get a D3, then you can, depending on your financial situation, stick with D2X for the time being or go for the D300. I like the handling of the D2X and the low ISO image quality but that's about it. D300 is clearly superior in terms of technology and the higher ISO image quality. So after last night's test, I still stand by my observation that the D2X gives slightly better images below ISO800 but I stand corrected for ISO800 because it seems that the D300 does have a slight edge over D2X at ISO800 depending on how you see it and it surpasses D2X for ISOs above 800.

no need for high iso with NR. jus high iso photos between D2X n D300. same conditions and all.


ideally shot in RAW n converted to jpg. anyway, i'm sure u know the works, i'm jus being an uncle. hehehehe :bsmilie:


i remember u saying that the D300 only has a slight advantage over the D2X in terms of high iso performance from 800 n up. tas very intriguing.

 

[lsisaxon]

no need for high iso with NR. jus high iso photos between D2X n D300. same conditions and all.


ideally shot in RAW n converted to jpg. anyway, i'm sure u know the works, i'm jus being an uncle. hehehehe :bsmilie:


i remember u saying that the D300 only has a slight advantage over the D2X in terms of high iso performance from 800 n up. tas very intriguing.

I don't think it makes sense to shoot in RAW and convert to JPG because that would mean that it's the software handling the noise reduction, no? Correct me if I'm wrong here..

Ok, I'll take back the 'slight edge' part for ISO800 and above. It is clearly a much bigger advantage when we are comparing real images than just noise in the uniform grey tone which I based my previous remarks on. ;p

 

[Jed]

Can we forget noise in uniform grey, and test pictures in properly lit scenarios, please, pwetty please?

I don't make a living shooting pictures of uniformly grey subjects at high ISOs...

 

[Cheesecake]

I don't think it makes sense to shoot in RAW and convert to JPG because that would mean that it's the software handling the noise reduction, no? Correct me if I'm wrong here..

Ok, I'll take back the 'slight edge' part for ISO800 and above. It is clearly a much bigger advantage when we are comparing real images than just noise in the uniform grey tone which I based my previous remarks on. ;p

up to u la if u can post RAW files here... or TIFF if u want..

 

[lsisaxon]

Can we forget noise in uniform grey, and test pictures in properly lit scenarios, please, pwetty please?

I don't make a living shooting pictures of uniformly grey subjects at high ISOs...

Will use the same test scene for my next test and maybe include some shadow in the crop area. Let me know if anything else needs to be included, eg fine print text, other colours? I may use a wider angle lens and a smaller aperture to keep things sharper.

 

[vince123123]

Think its good that you are volunteering to conduct these tests for the benefit of everyone here, unlike some who prefer to engage in veiled jabs and cloaked jibes.

I do have a pretty good impression of your posts as far as techincal aspects are concerned so it will be interesting to see your results .

Will use the same test scene for my next test and maybe include some shadow in the crop area. Let me know if anything else needs to be included, eg fine print text, other colours? I may use a wider angle lens and a smaller aperture to keep things sharper.

 

[Jed]

Think its good that you are volunteering to conduct these tests for the benefit of everyone here, unlike some who prefer to engage in veiled jabs and cloaked jibes.

Hey I expressed my sincere appreciation in the thread he posted his pictures. But there are some things that are of dubious worth in high ISO noise comparisons, of which I've tried to eliminate.

I'd best not comment about veiled jabs or cloaked jibes, especially as yours wasn't exactly very veiled or cloaked.

 

[vince123123]

Hehe actually you've got nothing to worry about

I wasn't really making any jab or jibe though, just stating an opinion

Hey I expressed my sincere appreciation in the thread he posted his pictures. But there are some things that are of dubious worth in high ISO noise comparisons, of which I've tried to eliminate.

I'd best not comment about veiled jabs or cloaked jibes, especially as yours wasn't exactly very veiled or cloaked.

 

[TMC]

Think its good that you are volunteering to conduct these tests for the benefit of everyone here, unlike some who prefer to engage in veiled jabs and cloaked jibes.

I do have a pretty good impression of your posts as far as techincal aspects are concerned so it will be interesting to see your results .

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