Cropped body : EF-S 15-85mm f/3.5-5.6 IS USM or EF 24-105 f/4L IS USM?

[tecnica]

Hi again bro, but won't you be missing the range from 55mm to 70mm? Also, I prefer medium telephoto for my general walkabout lens, which is why I'm set on the 15-85.

IMO, there is nothing much to lose between 55mm and 70mm. on the other hand, you have everything to die for even if it's just 1mm difference at the ultra-wide angle.

Don't you find 55mm rather limiting? That is the main reason why I prefer the 15-85 over the 17-55, although the 2.8 is dam attractive....

if i feel that 55mm is limiting me, i'll switch over to my 70-200L, so no worries about that.

granted the 70-200L is 1 stop slower than my 17-55, but the background compression still gives me decent bokeh and the IS mechanism is just amazing.

 

[DigitalCamera]

Yeah, 50mm is rather tight on a cropped body. Sorry, I misinterpreted when you said nature photographer, animals and birds would be under wildlife. True, for scenery wouldn't really need telephoto lens, UWA would be much more suitable

 

[DigitalCamera]

IMO, there is nothing much to lose between 55mm and 70mm. on the other hand, you have everything to die for even if it's just 1mm difference at the ultra-wide angle.



if i feel that 55mm is limiting me, i'll switch over to my 70-200L, so no worries about that.

granted the 70-200L is 1 stop slower than my 17-55, but the background compression still gives me decent bokeh and the IS mechanism is just amazing.

For me, I wouldn't want to carry two lenses out even if I had the 70-200, so the 17-55 is kinda out for me :/

 

[tecnica]

For me, I wouldn't want to carry two lenses out even if I had the 70-200, so the 17-55 is kinda out for me :/

oh well, to each his own~

 

[DigitalCamera]

oh well, to each his own~

Yeah man. Thanks anyway bro!

 

[tecnica]

Yeah man. Thanks anyway bro!

no probs, we are all here to share~!

 

[rhema83]

For me, I wouldn't want to carry two lenses out even if I had the 70-200, so the 17-55 is kinda out for me :/

Actually, one of the beauties of a DSLR is the ability to change lenses. Why limit yourself to one if you find both useful?

 

[DigitalCamera]

Actually, one of the beauties of a DSLR is the ability to change lenses. Why limit yourself to one if you find both useful?

No, I love to change lenses and see different perspectives, but when I'm out shooting I dun wanna miss that decisive moment just because I'm changing lens, it's damn frustrating when a photo opportunity presents itself, then you find out your lens isn't suitable, waste time changing lens, the opportunity will be gone

 

[tecnica]

No, I love to change lenses and see different perspectives, but when I'm out shooting I dun wanna miss that decisive moment just because I'm changing lens, it's damn frustrating when a photo opportunity presents itself, then you find out your lens isn't suitable, waste time changing lens, the opportunity will be gone

there are always two sides to the coin, same thing applies when you have 2 or more lenses.

say you only have a 15-85 and you arrive here:

this photo was done with my 10-22 @ 10mm and it was barely wide enough to cover everything because i was really near the tree and i didn't have anymore space to move further back. photo opportunity, i guess this counted as one. my 70-200L not wide enough? no problem, just change out to the 10-22. yes, i left my 17-55 at home and i felt that it was the right choice made. 10-22 for landscape, 70-200L for random streets, the 17-55 can take a day off back at the dry cabinet.

honestly, it is more about visualising what you are going to shoot and then bringing the appropriate lenses to accomplish the shots. of cause' there will be unforeseen circumstances when even the most equipped person will be caught off-guard. this kinda situation is sorta one-off incident but when it happens, at least you have already brought along what you can, rather then lamenting "if only i have bought/brought --- lens(along)...".

sure, there will be many many other types of decisive moments ahead of us and it will really depends on how we prepare ourselves for the incoming shots.

not saying you are wrong, just my 2 x $0.01 opinion.

 

[rhema83]

there are always two sides to the coin, same thing applies when you have 2 or more lenses.

say you only have a 15-85 and you arrive here:

this photo was done with my 10-22 @ 10mm and it was barely wide enough to cover everything because i was really near the tree and i didn't have anymore space to move further back. photo opportunity, i guess this counted as one. my 70-200L not wide enough? no problem, just change out to the 10-22. yes, i left my 17-55 at home and i felt that it was the right choice made. 10-22 for landscape, 70-200L for random streets, the 17-55 can take a day off back at the dry cabinet.

honestly, it is more about visualising what you are going to shoot and then bringing the appropriate lenses to accomplish the shots. of cause' there will be unforeseen circumstances when even the most equipped person will be caught off-guard. this kinda situation is sorta one-off incident but when it happens, at least you have already brought along what you can, rather then lamenting "if only i have bought/brought --- lens(along)...".

sure, there will be many many other types of decisive moments ahead of us and it will really depends on how we prepare ourselves for the incoming shots.

not saying you are wrong, just my 2 x $0.01 opinion.

If I have no choice, I will take multiple shots and stitch them together. It is a viable solution although not without its numerous drawbacks.

 

[SoundOfSilence]

hi guys, i have the same thoughts of getting a 10-22 + 24-105L for my 550D, im currently using tamron 17-50 + 100mm 2.8.

Reason being i went through alot of my shots and realise i was mostly shooting at 2x to 4x, hardly on 17mm for my tammy, and i really desire a longer end zoom and probably whip out the 10-22 for when i need it. Considered the 24-70, but rechecked my shots, even in extremely dim restaurant setting, some of my shots were at f4 iso 3200, so i guessed im able to forgo the F2.8

secondly im also in a dilemma, 10-22 + 24-105 will cost roughly the same as a used 5D + 24-105, which of the 2 setup would be a better choice in you guys opinion?

thanks alot in advance!

 

[DigitalCamera]

there are always two sides to the coin, same thing applies when you have 2 or more lenses.

say you only have a 15-85 and you arrive here:

this photo was done with my 10-22 @ 10mm and it was barely wide enough to cover everything because i was really near the tree and i didn't have anymore space to move further back. photo opportunity, i guess this counted as one. my 70-200L not wide enough? no problem, just change out to the 10-22. yes, i left my 17-55 at home and i felt that it was the right choice made. 10-22 for landscape, 70-200L for random streets, the 17-55 can take a day off back at the dry cabinet.

honestly, it is more about visualising what you are going to shoot and then bringing the appropriate lenses to accomplish the shots. of cause' there will be unforeseen circumstances when even the most equipped person will be caught off-guard. this kinda situation is sorta one-off incident but when it happens, at least you have already brought along what you can, rather then lamenting "if only i have bought/brought --- lens(along)...".

sure, there will be many many other types of decisive moments ahead of us and it will really depends on how we prepare ourselves for the incoming shots.

not saying you are wrong, just my 2 x $0.01 opinion.

Haha, for me I dun plan or anticipate what I wanna shoot, I just grab my camera, hop on a bus to somewhere, get off and click click click! To me, kinda spoils the fun when you plan what you wanna shoot, cos I'm into general street photography, so I'll just capture the things around me

Btw, wonderful shot of the 'tree'!

 

[tecnica]

of cause' for street photography, you have to bring the appropriate lens for the job too.

it's not about spoiling the fun or what not. when you encounter the prized shot and you feel you could have use the other lens for better result, now this is really fun being spoilt.

but if you only own one lens, then this is a non issue because choice is not an option.

 

[rhema83]

Seems like we haven't heard from any 24-105L user yet. I am eagerly waiting for some first-hand accounts of the joys and pains of using that FF lens on a crop body. Also, besides this combination, I am also pondering if other alternatives exist, such as combining with fast primes. Has anyone got experience?

 

[SoundOfSilence]

Seems like we haven't heard from any 24-105L user yet. I am eagerly waiting for some first-hand accounts of the joys and pains of using that FF lens on a crop body. Also, besides this combination, I am also pondering if other alternatives exist, such as combining with fast primes. Has anyone got experience?

yeah, im thinking of 10-22 + 24-105L on my 550d, seems like theres not much advise for me too =(

hi guys, i have the same thoughts of getting a 10-22 + 24-105L for my 550D, im currently using tamron 17-50 + 100mm 2.8.

Reason being i went through alot of my shots and realise i was mostly shooting at 2x to 4x, hardly on 17mm for my tammy, and i really desire a longer end zoom and probably whip out the 10-22 for when i need it. Considered the 24-70, but rechecked my shots, even in extremely dim restaurant setting, some of my shots were at f4 iso 3200, so i guessed im able to forgo the F2.8

secondly im also in a dilemma, 10-22 + 24-105 will cost roughly the same as a used 5D + 24-105, which of the 2 setup would be a better choice in you guys opinion?

thanks alot in advance!

 

[rhema83]

of cause' for street photography, you have to bring the appropriate lens for the job too.

it's not about spoiling the fun or what not. when you encounter the prized shot and you feel you could have use the other lens for better result, now this is really fun being spoilt.

but if you only own one lens, then this is a non issue because choice is not an option.

In my experience, the biggest hurdle to candid street photography is the shutter speed. In my case, the 15-85 f/3.5-5.6 often does not give me a fast enough speed to capture my unsuspecting subject without any motion blur. I see an interesting subject, bring the camera up to my eye and squeeze the shutter release. Sometimes I get lucky when the camera is in Manual and I adjust the exposure later on in DPP. Other times, frustration and cursing soon follows as I review the blurred picture on the LCD screen. Those are the "I wish I had a prime" moments. Too bad Canon does not produce an affordable 30mm f/1.4 lens. The closest 35mm f/1.4L is really not priced for amateurs like me, and the alternative Sigma 30mm f/1.4 is a crop-only lens with well-known QC problems (specifically front/back focusing).

 

[Minglink]

In my experience, the biggest hurdle to candid street photography is the shutter speed. In my case, the 15-85 f/3.5-5.6 often does not give me a fast enough speed to capture my unsuspecting subject without any motion blur. I see an interesting subject, bring the camera up to my eye and squeeze the shutter release. Sometimes I get lucky when the camera is in Manual and I adjust the exposure later on in DPP. Other times, frustration and cursing soon follows as I review the blurred picture on the LCD screen. Those are the "I wish I had a prime" moments. Too bad Canon does not produce an affordable 30mm f/1.4 lens. The closest 35mm f/1.4L is really not priced for amateurs like me, and the alternative Sigma 30mm f/1.4 is a crop-only lens with well-known QC problems (specifically front/back focusing).

There is a EF 28mm f1.8 USM lens you might want to look into.

 

[rhema83]

There is a EF 28mm f1.8 USM lens you might want to look into.

I've read up on the choices in this focal range. The generally negative reviews of this lens really don't inspire any confidence. Plus it's 2/3 stop slower than the 30 f/1.4 which makes it even less attractive.

Hint to Canon: time to release Mk II versions for the 28 f/1.8 and 50 f/1.4!

 

[DigitalCamera]

of cause' for street photography, you have to bring the appropriate lens for the job too.

it's not about spoiling the fun or what not. when you encounter the prized shot and you feel you could have use the other lens for better result, now this is really fun being spoilt.

but if you only own one lens, then this is a non issue because choice is not an option.

Yeah, which is why I chose the 15-85 for street, more versatile zoom range for me. Anyway, I have no other choice, since the 15-85 is the only lens I have and need for street, haha.

 

[DigitalCamera]

In my experience, the biggest hurdle to candid street photography is the shutter speed. In my case, the 15-85 f/3.5-5.6 often does not give me a fast enough speed to capture my unsuspecting subject without any motion blur. I see an interesting subject, bring the camera up to my eye and squeeze the shutter release. Sometimes I get lucky when the camera is in Manual and I adjust the exposure later on in DPP. Other times, frustration and cursing soon follows as I review the blurred picture on the LCD screen. Those are the "I wish I had a prime" moments. Too bad Canon does not produce an affordable 30mm f/1.4 lens. The closest 35mm f/1.4L is really not priced for amateurs like me, and the alternative Sigma 30mm f/1.4 is a crop-only lens with well-known QC problems (specifically front/back focusing).

For me, the biggest limiting factor is that I'm afraid to take pictures of people, like maybe those 'ah peks' sitting around and doing nothing, wait I take picture of them they kick up a fuss. Hmmm, are you sure you are an amateur? Doesn't seem like it. Agree, 50mm 1.4 is too tight, and was considering the Sigma 30 1.4 until you mentioned the QC problems. Ah well, primes can wait, no $$$ now....

Btw, saw your post in BNS advertising your 70-200, you decided on selling it? Wonderful lens if you ask me, you have already made up your mind on selling it?