Critique Corner going downhill?

[nicholas68]

Its one of the truest and kindest comments around. If u dont value it, suggest u can go join a photographic course @ SLCC Photography Courses . Then come back and improve on the 90% crap post rating.

Btw your comments will come in when your photos are 'there', dont even need them to be in critique corner. Not many likes to be nasty here and leave a bad comment/remark.

Onli few have commented on mine, coz mine suxxs its true.

One more thing Between SLCC and objective. I would perfer to go to objective because the lecturer there are better why they are better. Do go to the website and take a look pls go take a look

 

[Wisp]

It's objectifs. Erm, take your time to type, and use punctuation..the last post doesn't quite makes sense to me..

 

[slaam]

My point is this, why can't anybody critiqued as a series of photography. If you think that it take a while to type a short critique, pls refer back to my posting that nick name (AReailty)what kind of comment that f_____ had posted. Are you telling me that is short critique. I really thank those who take time to type a really good or bad comment.

To be honest 90% of the posting in this forum is really crab.

do you mean crap?
haha crab is actually kani in jap whilst hotpot is nabe
so unless you take to mean that you feel that the situation feels like crab hotpot..

haha sorry jus kidding and talking crap.


I stand on nicholas side on why can't a series be critiqued.
in fact, I was disgusted when I joined a photo compeitition by a well known photo club (shan't say this) that to my disgust, alot of the photos didn't adhere to the set themes that is required. ie you were supposed to post 4 photos and each of a different theme. The ones that got in to the finals are the ppl who disregarded this and arbitrarily placed their golden shot in a most unfitting theme. (the organisers first considered the aesthetic value of the pic before looking at the photo categories.)
this i feel is crap.
(patient coming to my point)
as any photographer who knows their worth knows that its not the ability to take good photos that makes them stand out. its more of censorship and knowing which ones are good. and presenting them instead of showing the bad ones. I dare say that if you take alot of photos you will eventually have a HIT.
but to present a set of photos with a consistent theme and with critical judgement takes alot more time and thinking.
what is even harder to do is to conceptualise a series and achieve the series.

as to the pt abt most of the critiques is crap. I would like to say that you can never stop anyone from having an opinion. (haha contrary to wat most ppl think, freedom of speech can be quite irritating huh?) The most impt thing is to filter what's good and what's not. sometimes even the lousiest critique might have something to be learnt from. (they can be of no value but it might give you an idea abt sth totally different)

I think the problem that littlewolf has though with multiple photos is that its ppl who jus want a critique of "which of my shots is nice?" its the same kind of guys who are jus starting out and can't filter out wat are their good shots and want others to do it for them.

IMHO one shld recognise the different posts and act accordingly (self moderation of the forum)

crap or crab?

 

[slaam]

oh yeah.. forgot to add
but if the rules said a series is not meant to be in critique forum
then dun post it there..

maybe can setup a 'series critique' forum hahahah relax guys!

 

[eikin]

on newcomers ...

i don't think there's any problem with newcomers posting in the critique corner. as suggested by the title of the forum, it is a place to get more indepth feedback, everyone has the right to use the critique corner for learning.

on single posts/series

the right to use the critique corner does not translate to the right to waste others' time by making sloppy postings. make an effort to present the work/works (single image/series). for newcomers it's most useful to learn how to post images in the threads without resorting to post URL links. it also makes sense to organise series into logical presentation order, and if need include well-thought captions and descriptions (applies to single images as well)

 

[The_Cheat]

do you mean crap?
haha crab is actually kani in jap whilst hotpot is nabe
so unless you take to mean that you feel that the situation feels like crab hotpot..

haha sorry jus kidding and talking crap.

Haa~! Talking about learning something new everyday... thanks man!

in fact, I was disgusted when I joined a photo compeitition by a well known photo club (shan't say this) that to my disgust, alot of the photos didn't adhere to the set themes that is required. ie you were supposed to post 4 photos and each of a different theme. The ones that got in to the finals are the ppl who disregarded this and arbitrarily placed their golden shot in a most unfitting theme. (the organisers first considered the aesthetic value of the pic before looking at the photo categories.)
this i feel is crap.
(patient coming to my point)

Most price-winning pictures won't conform to the theme outright, just like some of the best essay are usually those that give a twist to the title. For example, if two student of equivalent literal competency were to write an essay titled "The Gift", and one wrote about a material gift from someone to celebrate a certain occasion, while another wrote about the birth of his/her cousin (the gift of life), which one do you think would be more impressive?

Photographs ain't just images of documentation. IMO, photographs themselves don't even have inherent value. Photographs are probably more like money, i.e. they only posess instrumental value, a mean to fulfill the ends. Most people want to be rich not so that they can swim in the cash. They wanna be rich, so that they could fulfill their other dreams, be it to drive a new car, to enjoy with a family, to go on a holiday or whatnot. Similarly, photographers don't wanna take pictures, so that they could swim around all the albums that they have taken.

Hence, while most of the thematic entries in competitions are usually the documentation ones (those that directly adhere to what the theme "ought to be"), what stands out usually are either those that are different, or those that manage to reveal the theme subtly and indirectly. And unless the documentation shots are truly impressive, I will actually question the credibility of the judge if they were to choose a documentation shot as a winner.

Here's another question though... are winners of competition necessary be a universally recognised "good" photograph?

as any photographer who knows their worth knows that its not the ability to take good photos that makes them stand out. its more of censorship and knowing which ones are good. and presenting them instead of showing the bad ones. I dare say that if you take alot of photos you will eventually have a HIT.
but to present a set of photos with a consistent theme and with critical judgement takes alot more time and thinking.
what is even harder to do is to conceptualise a series and achieve the series.

as to the pt abt most of the critiques is crap. I would like to say that you can never stop anyone from having an opinion. (haha contrary to wat most ppl think, freedom of speech can be quite irritating huh?) The most impt thing is to filter what's good and what's not. sometimes even the lousiest critique might have something to be learnt from. (they can be of no value but it might give you an idea abt sth totally different)

I think the problem that littlewolf has though with multiple photos is that its ppl who jus want a critique of "which of my shots is nice?" its the same kind of guys who are jus starting out and can't filter out wat are their good shots and want others to do it for them.

IMHO one shld recognise the different posts and act accordingly (self moderation of the forum)

Filter!? Haa~! Seems like you're in agreement with foxtwo on this.
Just beware that the same filter of choosing a "worthy" photo will also limit creativity/ possibilities in photography.

 

[The_Cheat]

oh yeah.. forgot to add
but if the rules said a series is not meant to be in critique forum
then dun post it there..

maybe can setup a 'series critique' forum hahahah relax guys!

Another forum? No no no no no...
Anyway, what's wrong with posting series in the sub-forum? Why can't there be a decentralisation (i.e. back to the state as before the critique corner was formed) where those who frequent the sub-forums give constructive critiques instead?

 

[nicholas68]

do you mean crap?
haha crab is actually kani in jap whilst hotpot is nabe
so unless you take to mean that you feel that the situation feels like crab hotpot..

haha sorry jus kidding and talking crap.


I stand on nicholas side on why can't a series be critiqued.
in fact, I was disgusted when I joined a photo compeitition by a well known photo club (shan't say this) that to my disgust, alot of the photos didn't adhere to the set themes that is required. ie you were supposed to post 4 photos and each of a different theme. The ones that got in to the finals are the ppl who disregarded this and arbitrarily placed their golden shot in a most unfitting theme. (the organisers first considered the aesthetic value of the pic before looking at the photo categories.)
this i feel is crap.
(patient coming to my point)
as any photographer who knows their worth knows that its not the ability to take good photos that makes them stand out. its more of censorship and knowing which ones are good. and presenting them instead of showing the bad ones. I dare say that if you take alot of photos you will eventually have a HIT.
but to present a set of photos with a consistent theme and with critical judgement takes alot more time and thinking.
what is even harder to do is to conceptualise a series and achieve the series.

as to the pt abt most of the critiques is crap. I would like to say that you can never stop anyone from having an opinion. (haha contrary to wat most ppl think, freedom of speech can be quite irritating huh?) The most impt thing is to filter what's good and what's not. sometimes even the lousiest critique might have something to be learnt from. (they can be of no value but it might give you an idea abt sth totally different)

I think the problem that littlewolf has though with multiple photos is that its ppl who jus want a critique of "which of my shots is nice?" its the same kind of guys who are jus starting out and can't filter out wat are their good shots and want others to do it for them.

IMHO one shld recognise the different posts and act accordingly (self moderation of the forum)

crap or crab?

Yes crap not crab that we eat. HAHAHA.

The reason why I post the series of photography is that. Most of the posting on thaipusam was on the people putting on the kavadi or taking off the kavadi on the people will kavadi on the street. I personally get tired of it after a few view. Not only in Singapore but from Penang to singapore most of them Portraits of kavadi.

The series on Task road that i have taken is the worst photography that I have ever taken shoot. I just want to share with the people on the forum that is my intension. Did anybody see any posting inside Task Road. I was there and I know is very different to take photography. If you can catch any good shoot you are really the man .

May I was wrong I should have posted on Reportage and sport coloum.

:sweat:

 

[slaam]

Haa~! Talking about learning something new everyday... thanks man!




Most price-winning pictures won't conform to the theme outright, just like some of the best essay are usually those that give a twist to the title. For example, if two student of equivalent literal competency were to write an essay titled "The Gift", and one wrote about a material gift from someone to celebrate a certain occasion, while another wrote about the birth of his/her cousin (the gift of life), which one do you think would be more impressive?

Photographs ain't just images of documentation. IMO, photographs themselves don't even have inherent value. Photographs are probably more like money, i.e. they only posess instrumental value, a mean to fulfill the ends. Most people want to be rich not so that they can swim in the cash. They wanna be rich, so that they could fulfill their other dreams, be it to drive a new car, to enjoy with a family, to go on a holiday or whatnot. Similarly, photographers don't wanna take pictures, so that they could swim around all the albums that they have taken.

Hence, while most of the thematic entries in competitions are usually the documentation ones (those that directly adhere to what the theme "ought to be"), what stands out usually are either those that are different, or those that manage to reveal the theme subtly and indirectly. And unless the documentation shots are truly impressive, I will actually question the credibility of the judge if they were to choose a documentation shot as a winner.

Here's another question though... are winners of competition necessary be a universally recognised "good" photograph?

hmmm maybe its jus me ranting here cos i dun have the 'eye' :bigeyes:
but at the finals of the said compeitition, only then did the judges flipped the photos over to see the 'theme' of the photo and then judge the appropiateness. in fact the second place person lost simply cos he was trying to 'smoke' his way thru ...
THAT was the disappointment for me. Whilst I had wasted my brain cells to create a set of pleasing and congruent visuals. Someone else jus submitted his eye candy pics.

Filter!? Haa~! Seems like you're in agreement with foxtwo on this.
Just beware that the same filter of choosing a "worthy" photo will also limit creativity/ possibilities in photography.

hmmm as in the critic filters.
if you are going to complain abt bad photos being submitted.. IMHO you either
a) tell the person why its crap and how he/her shld improve the state of photography in general by doing X Y Z
b) just move on and critic what you wish to critic.

on the side there was a revelant quote on critic by george clooney of all ppl haha
it went sth like

you can't expect to have freedom of speech and expect no one to say bad things.

 

[The_Cheat]

hmmm maybe its jus me ranting here cos i dun have the 'eye' :bigeyes:
but at the finals of the said compeitition, only then did the judges flipped the photos over to see the 'theme' of the photo and then judge the appropiateness. in fact the second place person lost simply cos he was trying to 'smoke' his way thru ...
THAT was the disappointment for me. Whilst I had wasted my brain cells to create a set of pleasing and congruent visuals. Someone else jus submitted his eye candy pics.

Seems like you still don't get the point. Doesn't matter. I'm not here trying to convince you otherwise anyway.

Anyway, for your own sake, try to do less comparison. Sometimes people do things simply, not because they are trying to "smoke" their way through, but because that's the most natural to them. Other people may have shooting habits that may seems brainless to you; but you, not being them, would never really know what really went through their mind.

hmmm as in the critic filters.
if you are going to complain abt bad photos being submitted.. IMHO you either
a) tell the person why its crap and how he/her shld improve the state of photography in general by doing X Y Z
b) just move on and critic what you wish to critic.

on the side there was a revelant quote on critic by george clooney of all ppl haha
it went sth like

you can't expect to have freedom of speech and expect no one to say bad things.

Err... I don't see what's the relevence of your points here. Did anyone actually complaint about bad things being said? As far as I know, critics ain't even critical here.

 

[Clown]

can mods just throw an image to the garbage area when it doesnt deserve a critique? i think the action of throwing the picture into the garbage itself can act as a critique in itself.
hopefully it'll deter some from posting crap pics.

 

[Stoned]

I think as photography is subjective, that wouldn't be a fair option.

I think that you should only post in the critique forum if you seriously want a critique, as in you're unsure about the image. If you're sure you like the image and that it works, why bother posting? To receive praise? Nicholas68, I think you're really very rude. Areality's comments are honest and weren't rude in any way. If your photos are bad, he's gonna tell you it's bad. It's like bad breath, the nicest people bother to tell you, the rest just smile and walk away. If you think it works, just share it under the other sharing photo galleries. The Critique forum is meant for Critique, it's not called a praise forum. My stuff gets slammed frequently in the critique forum too, but that's part and parcel of receiving critique. Most often, if you're unsure about a shot, it's usually not very good because it's new ground for you. Just take the constructive comments that people give and apply them repeatedly, because that's seriously the only way to improve. Eliminate the faults and all you're left with is the shine.

 

[solarii]

can mods just throw an image to the garbage area when it doesnt deserve a critique? i think the action of throwing the picture into the garbage itself can act as a critique in itself.
hopefully it'll deter some from posting crap pics.

Haha a little harsh but I do agree with you. Some shots are clearly deserving of the bin. For example, some people like to take their new camera for a spin and take funny shots at their void deck or nearby park....those "my first shots with D70 kind'. These shots certainly do not deserve critique... which also explains why a lot of people do not bother with the thread... too much nonsense to sieve through.

Posters should be responsible... post up decent, meaningful shots that tell a story or interest viewers. At the very least, it should be clear that you put some thought and effort into making the shot... not just the result of some trigger happy post-purchase evening. Those are best left on yr PC for personal gratification!

 

[Klose]

Threaddigger here :sweat:

Here's what I feel about Critique Corner. It's become more like a dumping ground of photos for anyone who wants attention rather then proper critique. Take for example, you have people posting their entire holiday album for ppl to see rather than critique. Isnt that supposed to be in the "Travel Section"? You have ppl posting random pics taken from camera phones with no intention to ask for critique. At least 25% of the threads in the first page of CC are posted with no intention. I wont mind if a newbie posts his picture asking for ways to improve composition, framing and colour/contrast or a proper series of photos with the same theme and ideas. I believe any TS is capable of self moderation. My thoughts .

 

[Ah Pao]

http://forums.clubsnap.org/showthread.php?t=182074

Just using the above thread as an example of how the sub-forum's original purpose has been eroded. Didn't want to post in the original thread since I don't want to inflame the situation.

I've always got the impression that Critique Corner (CC) is used to get feedback on the artistic (and, as a secondary objective, technical) de/merits of a photo, not just to display a "test shot" - I think that can be done at the other general boards. If the thread starter is seriously looking for criticisms in line with the purpose of CC, that's perfectly OK, but apparently he's not.

A sincere poster in CC would have given a little bit more effort in coming up with an appropriate title, and shouldn't be hiding behind the "newbie" label. ;( The "newbie" status been used a bit too often as an excuse for not putting in a bit more effort. And as solarii has mentioned, "test shots" shouldn't be popping up in CC!

Let's exercise some discipline in using the CC sub-forum, otherwise those seriously looking for feedback/criticisms will get diluted attention. If a significant number* of the posts in CC are like the above, I don't see why we should be wasting precious server and human resources in a separate sub-forum when such a purpose can been fulfilled in other existing sub-forums.


*As for what is a "significant number", I leave it to the moderators and admin to decide and define.

 

[photoboy]

Threaddigger here :sweat:

Here's what I feel about Critique Corner. It's become more like a dumping ground of photos for anyone who wants attention rather then proper critique. Take for example, you have people posting their entire holiday album for ppl to see rather than critique. Isnt that supposed to be in the "Travel Section"? You have ppl posting random pics taken from camera phones with no intention to ask for critique. At least 25% of the threads in the first page of CC are posted with no intention. I wont mind if a newbie posts his picture asking for ways to improve composition, framing and colour/contrast or a proper series of photos with the same theme and ideas. I believe any TS is capable of self moderation. My thoughts .

I also think so.

Hope after so much debate, the critque corner photo will improve in quality and not quantity.
Perhaps the administrator can start one call "Garbage Photo" to those who like to dump everything for viewer to see.

 

[The_Cheat]

Is there anyway to limit to one set of "img" bbcode for each post in CC?

Most people simply don't care about the rules for CC before they post, and I think a restriction works better than the incessant nagging from the other posters...

 

[foxtwo]

Is there anyway to limit to one set of "img" bbcode for each post in CC?

Most people simply don't care about the rules for CC before they post, and I think a restriction works better than the incessant nagging from the other posters...

that's really the mods' job of relocating them. what's to stop them from repeatedly posting 1 image per subsequent post? it's just a few clicks of the mouse.

ya'know what else the mods' should relocate? banal talk & 'nice'/'i like it' comments.

 

[channel23]

that's really the mods' job of relocating them. what's to stop them from repeatedly posting 1 image per subsequent post? it's just a few clicks of the mouse.

ya'know what else the mods' should relocate? banal talk & 'nice'/'i like it' comments.

Reckon that too!