Comex 2006 Day 1 at Expo - Models

[Cyber]

i'm too lazy to read every detail here. but i think we as photographers should behave ourselves whenever there're events with models. i have noticed this for myself, that some photogs will shoot, then show the pictures and then ask for contact numbers and emails. don't know if the models gave the contacts out of their own will or they just want to get rid of the bugging buggers who are harassing them. sorry for my choice of words.

these photogs are like hungry wolves out for some easy prey. so desperate are they that they will do anything just to get in touch with the models. i don't understand why... is it that this is the only way to know girls? to boast to peers that you know so-and-so? or for sheer pleasure as in... i feel shiok mah...???

i understand too that i'll be drawing flaks here... but i just need to say something.

i also must apologise to the starter of this thread. his intention was to share his pictures but it is drawing arguments in return.

peace be with all :angel:

I certainly can guarantee that having a good behaviour is a must, though we did snap some pics of the models n mostly offer them with our contact than asking for theirs. Anyway at the end of the day, its still their free will to give us their contact, if they refuse to exchange contact, the most is they never get back their own pics... :bsmile:
Somemore we dun bug them as we are not short of models to shoot at... If they find us disturbing they oso tell us straight in our face that they need to work liao... so I think its fair that each side have the free play in this...

Photographers are not wrong to shoot models, unless they are not nice to look at ... trying to know a person by getting contact isn't the only way to get the model's attention.... sometime they in turn ask for my contact ... :bsmilie: Currently as I have some models that I have had known like my portfolio and they are impress by the way I shot their nicest pose... they express great appreciation in it... though im trying to draw attention for models to recognise my effort... I am contented when they express great appreciation in my photos, not to be anything more than friends by getting their contact which in terms can get to bring in some chance of money making ...maybe in the future to come...

I know YLSX n YH quite well that they are creative in their work and strive to excel in this hobby n Im standing side by side with them to improve together...

Too much negative comments only serve as no appreciation in this thread, so I suggest that ppl with too much negative thinking should go think on the Positive effects that might overwhelm the negative thinking in them...

Thanx to the thread starter for his tremendous effort in sharing experience n to share the photos .. .:thumbsup: :thumbsup: :thumbsup:

 

[versatile]

Right, my fave. :heart:

 

[panzerpunk]

There is no need for disparanging views. If you think these pics are the cause/signs of the breakdown of social fabric or that the photographers are the personification of evil and that they should be sent to hell yadayada....

Don't post. Nobody asked you to voice out your opinion... No matter how righteous your professional views are, personal attacks/slander/libel aren't very glorious nor righteous either don't you agree? You can go complain to an Admin and inform them on the 'ill-nature' of the pics.

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[zaxh81]

Don't post. Nobody asked you to voice out your opinion... No matter how righteous your professional views are, personal attacks/slander/libel aren't very glorious nor righteous either don't you agree? You can go complain to an Admin and inform them on the 'ill-nature' of the pics.

Likewise to you :bsmilie: :devil: :bsmilie: :devil:

 

[unseen]

There is no need for disparanging views. If you think these pics are the cause/signs of the breakdown of social fabric or that the photographers are the personification of evil and that they should be sent to hell yadayada....

Don't post. Nobody asked you to voice out your opinion... No matter how righteous your professional views are, personal attacks/slander/libel aren't very glorious nor righteous either don't you agree? You can go complain to an Admin and inform them on the 'ill-nature' of the pics.

:flame: :flame: :flame: :flame: :flame:

Hmmmm Last I recall, nobody called for a self designated forum police officer to voice out his opinion. Makes you wonder why he didn't go complain to an Admin and inform on the 'ill-nature' of the posts.

I believe there has been no personal attacks, only exchange of viewpoints. Your insinuation might just cause people to assume that there was.

ok, maybe it was taken as a personal attack when I mentioned jeremytfk couldn't tell the difference between a miniskirt and a pair of shirts. I'm sure jeremytfk can read simple english about the miniskirt part, and posted the photo and the OT comments as a joke, I thus responded with another joke. I'm sure any matured readers could have told that it was in jest.

I assume those who felt attacked must have started justifying themselves out of guilt-conscience.

I also presume that most people has failed to understand: It's no point justifying to me, or other fellow photographers. The simple fact remains that bad behaviour has unsettled and disgusted various promoters/models/talents at comex. There's a reason why the simple process of taking photos of pretty lasses can (to outsiders) effectly put the photographers into 2 categories - photographers, and "despos".

It doesn't really matter (to me) if we are ok with your explanations, think you're Mr. Cassanova, Mr. Attractive, Mr. I-shot-alot-of-pretty-girls-before or Mr. able-to-get-contact-and-know-many-girls.

I'd think that it matters more (at least to me) that the models/talents/promoters/general public think if you're Mr. Pervert, Mr. Touchy, Mr. Despo or Mr. Pathetic. If and when they think you're one, it wouldn't even matter if you tell/warn them of blacksheeps who bring down the names of photographers.

If you don't understand the last 2 paragraphs... Check the following out:
http://www.wsi.com.sg/course-1.htm

 

[unseen]

That photo looks ok to me. And its a nice way to include the model, the bike and the Olympus on top.

U gonna stand up and use a much wider lens to include everything in?

It does? hmmm guess that's where the difference (in aesthetics appreciation) between us lie.

As to how I'd take it, i think that's where the difference (in technique/style) between me and jeremytfk lie.

As to if there's even a need to include everything in that's where the difference (in creativity) between us lie.

 

[simon80]

some were even stalked :bigeyes:

stalked still not too bad ..

somehow I get to hear from some models that a 'nice' photographer turned out to be a wolf in sheeps clothing

 

[jeremyftk]

All's still good for me Unseen. And yes, I know it was an answer in jist. And indeed, to each it's own. I may like the shot, you may disagree. But hey! We're all entitled to our own opinions right?

So anyway one and all, stay cool. Stay calm. Let's not blow this out of proportion. Instead of flaming and comdemning, why don't we all just take this as a lesson on 'what not to do'

Cheers all!

 

[rickykoh1983]

Sort of agree, I was just thinking.... Does the model really want her photos taken by me, I am not a pro nor I am very confident that she will like it. :sweat:

If she is interested, guess she will ask me for the photo. Or I just let her know where will I post it.

Unless, I really like to do a TFCD or pay shot for her, or get to know her.

Well, that's just from my personal view point.

Have to agree with you. If they are interested in getting the photos, they will come and ask from you. Not need to really get to know the model if you are really into photography. If you want to look for gals to know, try it in a club or somewhere else.

 

[panzerpunk]

Ok guys, drink some coffee and relax :bsmilie:

 

[Static]

let me add to this, i do experience problem in taking photos too.

maybe is becos of the 'despo' expression some photographers gives to the promoter gals, i had made me felt hard to approach them for pixs, worring that may be labelled 'despo' etc... the gals are rather kind, but sometime when them see a 16+ guy asking for a photo, using P&S, they may had have a short funny expression. i :dunno: why is it so, but i think we should respect each other and know our limits.

maybe is becos of the 'despo' expression some photographers gave, i only had the guts to take 20+ pixs, and sometimes even felt it hard becos before i get to the models, there will be some standing there taking photos for like 5+mins, knowing they have to work, i would just hav to walk aside.

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i think the saying of P&S is been use to take upskirt is a little wrong. i use FX8 for the past 1 year, and i do not think it has the ability to take upskirt pixs. the poor light conditions and short zoom range is a big disadvantage for them.

P&S is also not very 'welcome' by mayb some gals, as they may feel that you are just taking the pix for fun, moreover they would not be entertain us (learn thru experiences. but some are really nice, they would joke and promote their product with them. Prone down too, also look funny using P&S. cos the impression gave for compact is for fun and not serious which is not ture for me.

i believe is the way we should control ourselves as photographers too. and make everyone equal no matter is P&S or DSLR. i hope for that day for my first model shoot*hope there would be at the end of the year*that i could use my compact to take photos, which could be as nice as dSLR

lol, prosumers and PnS users are always considered as 3rd class citizens. Heck care lar, juz shoot. Some Sporeans are simply snobs. Quite suprised the models are behaving like this since some of them are engaged to promote the compact PnS as well :bigeyes:

Abt stalking model.It's inevitable that some photographers use photography as a coverup to try to know pretty gals and hopefully ask them out for activities (clubbing, watching movies or such) What's the point of condemning them in CS and start a pointless flaming war to nowhere. Everyone got their own set of differing opinions.

Just let them carry on and see what they are able to conjure up. Which IMHO would be just plain rejection and embrassment in the end <<<<Note: Unless the photographers are some handsome hunks. (e.g Eric Lee :thumbsup: ? >>>>>>
They only create a bad name for themselves here and in exhibitions/events

Anyway, I m wondering which systems most stalkers and despos prefers? Canon or nikon :lovegrin:

 

[DetailedPixels]

thanks for sharing.

 

[compro_1975]

wow, view rate @ this moment is 8,888

 

[westwest1]

wow, view rate @ this moment is 8,888

do you have anything constructive to add?

 

[zaxh81]

do you have anything constructive to add?

bro,today sky ok leh,you know what i going to do.

 

[westwest1]

bro,today sky ok leh,you know what i going to do.

just sms you liaoz...:lovegrin:

 

[compro_1975]

do you have anything constructive to add?

well, added in page 4 second last post, can not blame if u did not see

 

[syc77]

Wow. Respect. You prone all the time to take to take body shots of standing subjects wearing mini skirts? Must teach me leh. My dSLR lousy one, take from that angle, most of the time look ugly, subjects got ugly pig noses, and small heads.

dude,dont put words into my mouth.
when did i say i prone during COMEX?u just assumed i did.:angry:

 

[unseen]

I prone all the time.
I was even nicknamed as Sandbag.
I just make sure i let the subjects see the pics i take.no big deal.

Wow. Respect. You prone all the time to take to take body shots of standing subjects wearing mini skirts? Must teach me leh. My dSLR lousy one, take from that angle, most of the time look ugly, subjects got ugly pig noses, and small heads.
Anyway I believe the difference between you and the photographer is the last bit. Well then, maybe those photographers who take photos in potentially compromising positions show those photos that they take.

dude,dont put words into my mouth.
when did i say i prone during COMEX?u just assumed i did.:angry:

Dude.. did you read what you posted?
dont put words into my mouth.
when did I say I assumed you proned during COMEX? u just assumed i did. :bsmilie:
In fact.. I don't even see the word COMEX in my reply. You just happened to mention that you prone all the time, so I assume you prone all the time, even when taking body shots of standing subjects wearing miniskirt. :think:

 

[LongCheer]

What could be achieved with taking models pics during such show?
Crowds everywhere and terrible scene.